Are giants the offspring of angels and humans?
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Being as the angels in heaven pertains to not having sex, which means angels don't have sex organs
You read everything in the bible on the surface, what you call "literally", and don't discern the hidden meanings behind the words.
I have no intention of debating. All I will say is there are several problems with your own statements here. If I had to make a choice of whether to believe you or the guy in the video, you'd lose.
Stupid question. Cheap shot. Grow up.Identified as male? Have you gone woke on us?
We can conclude (not ‘concur’) nothing at all.
Yes it is crazy, and no, it isn’t valid.
Don’t be dense. You know (or certainly should) that male pronouns were used collectively in English until our generation.
K
keepingthingsreal
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Rather than quote anybody's comments here, I will ask a few genuine questions which arose in my mind at work yesterday as I was pondering some of the things which I have read on this thread. I will preface my questions by quoting two portions of scripture about angels.
Gen 18:1
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3
And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Gen 18:4
Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
Gen 18:5
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
Gen 18:6
And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
Gen 18:7
And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
Gen 18:8
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
Gen 19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:3
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Gen 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
Gen 19:5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
In the first account, the LORD and two angels appeared in bodily form as men, AND THEY ATE HUMAN FOOD.
In the second account, two angels appeared in bodily form as men, AND THEY ATE HUMAN FOOD.
My questions, and they are just questions, are these:
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have digestive systems by which to digest the human food?
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have anuses by which to defecate the waste from the human food?
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have penises by which to urinate?
I am genuinely curious to hear people's responses, and I would appreciate any scriptural references to support anyone's assertions.
I am asking these questions because the proper answers to them (not that I presently claim to have the proper answers, but I definitely have some thoughts in relation to the same) might help us to better understand or interpret certain texts within the Bible.
For example, if angels possessed anuses when they appeared to Lot in Sodom, then, excuse my plainness of speech, that is quite probably what the Sodomites were after in that biblical account.
Along these same lines, if angels possessed penises while appearing in bodily form as men, then this might have some bearing on whether or not the sons of God of Genesis chapter 2 had the necessary "tools" to procreate with women.
Anyhow, I genuinely am curious to hear the responses of others here. Thank you.
Gen 18:1
And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;
Gen 18:2
And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground,
Gen 18:3
And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:
Gen 18:4
Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree:
Gen 18:5
And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said.
Gen 18:6
And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth.
Gen 18:7
And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it.
Gen 18:8
And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
Gen 19:1
And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
Gen 19:2
And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
Gen 19:3
And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
Gen 19:4
But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
Gen 19:5
And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
In the first account, the LORD and two angels appeared in bodily form as men, AND THEY ATE HUMAN FOOD.
In the second account, two angels appeared in bodily form as men, AND THEY ATE HUMAN FOOD.
My questions, and they are just questions, are these:
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have digestive systems by which to digest the human food?
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have anuses by which to defecate the waste from the human food?
When these angels appeared in bodily form as men, and when these angels ate human food while appearing in bodily form as men, did they have penises by which to urinate?
I am genuinely curious to hear people's responses, and I would appreciate any scriptural references to support anyone's assertions.
I am asking these questions because the proper answers to them (not that I presently claim to have the proper answers, but I definitely have some thoughts in relation to the same) might help us to better understand or interpret certain texts within the Bible.
For example, if angels possessed anuses when they appeared to Lot in Sodom, then, excuse my plainness of speech, that is quite probably what the Sodomites were after in that biblical account.
Along these same lines, if angels possessed penises while appearing in bodily form as men, then this might have some bearing on whether or not the sons of God of Genesis chapter 2 had the necessary "tools" to procreate with women.
Anyhow, I genuinely am curious to hear the responses of others here. Thank you.
This really should settle the matter, but it doesn't because some simply don't believe what it says and prefer entertaining a pagan mythological idea for whatever reason. Answer to both questions below? Never! It's used here as a self-answering question
For when did God ever say to an angel, "You are my son. I have begotten you today?" And again, "I will be his father, and he will be my son?" Hebrews 1:5
No my friend you have determined that. God charges Israel to kill its enemies in a few battles to the point of every man woman and child. Even there live stock....why? Is this a merciful God or is he pro active.? There's a gene pool problem. Why not take the children and raise them up in the way they should go.
Clearly Gen 6 shows that the fallen ones "giants" are capable of procreation. How they left there first estate is the mystery.
Angels in there first estate cannot procreate so what seed do they spread.
God drowned every living thing on earth with the exception of Noah and his family pretty harsh wouldn't you say?
Jesus points to the days of Noah as to come again upon the last days. In my opinion this A I Tech is the beginning of those days as man tries to reinvent it's self into a super human.
K
keepingthingsreal
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Your quote doesn't settle anything because you are greatly misusing the text.
Heb 1:5
For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
In the epistle to the Hebrews, the author regularly makes contrasts between the old covenant/old testament and the new covenant/new testament, and in the first two chapters, he makes contrasts between angels and JESUS CHRIST.
Seeing how the old covenant/old testament came by the ministration of angels (Acts 7:53, Gal. 3:19, Heb. 2:2), the author here was seeking to show the supremacy of JESUS CHRIST, God's only begotten son (John 3:16), who was "made so much better than the angels" (Heb. 1:4) on the day in which he was begotten (Psa. 2:7, Heb. 1:5), or on the day in which God raised him from the dead (Acts 13:32-33), or on the day in which angels, authorities, and powers were made subject unto him when he ascended back to heaven to sit at the Father's right hand (1 Pet. 3:22).
In other words, in context, this verse is simply stating that God never told an angel that they were his only begotten son.
We will have blood?
Did they have blood? Are there any accounts of angels having bled while engaging in battle?
I'm not greatly misusing the text because it says what it says, ie to which of the angels did he ever say "You are my son" and "I will be his father and he will be my son". And the answer is never, whether the only begotten or not, otherwise the author's point would make no sense.
K
keepingthingsreal
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The author's point makes perfect sense in context.
Both quotes in Hebrews 1:5 pertain directly to JESUS CHRIST. Again, he is the only begotten son who is being referenced there, and the reason for those quotes is to show the supremacy of the new covenant/new testament which came by JESUS CHRIST to the old covenant/old testament which came via the ministration of angels. In this sense, or in this context, God never called an angel his son.
Angels. The Masoretes changed angels to sons.
And it came to pass on a day, that behold, the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came with them. Job 1:6
And it came to pass on a certain day, that the angels of God came to stand before the Lord, and the devil came among them to stand before the Lord. Job 2:1
When the stars were made, all my angels praised me with a loud voice. Job 38:7
There's no reference to fallen angels becoming demons.
The Hebrew Torah claims DIVINE BEINGS with human women created the Nephilim and when the Nephilim died their souls become demons.
Even the mistranslated English doesn't claim fallen angels are Demons but claim they're in hell chained until judgement because of their sin.
So, if fallen angels are not demons, how do demons exist?
The Hebrew so far gives us the best answer.
The Hebrew Torah claims DIVINE BEINGS with human women created the Nephilim and when the Nephilim died their souls become demons.
Even the mistranslated English doesn't claim fallen angels are Demons but claim they're in hell chained until judgement because of their sin.
So, if fallen angels are not demons, how do demons exist?
The Hebrew so far gives us the best answer.
Going by how God consumed the offering that Manoah offered, it opens up the possibility that these angels consumed the food offered to them in a similar way. And in regard to the sodomites lusting after the use of the angels' bodies for their personal jollies, I'm certain that none of them, the sodomites, had the power to even come near any angels' butt crack to investigate whether they even possess an rectum or not before at least getting knocked back in a similar way that Jesus knocked back the centurian who attempted to take hold of Him.