Are All Angels the Same?

[Roughsoul1991]

Duel ownership what’s that, I’m reading trying to figure what that is never heard of it.

There are people who write to other people about the Word of God like Luke to Theophilus or Nehemiah 5
these scripture verses that mentions all kinds of wine and ruling over people. didn’t people write on their own experience in the Bible

Neh 5

14Moreover, from the time that I was appointed to be their governor in the land of Judah, from the twentieth year until the thirty-second year of King Artaxerxes, twelve years, neither I nor my brothers ate the governor’s provisions. 15But the former governors who were before me laid burdens on the people, and took from them bread and wine, besides forty shekels of silver. Yes, even their servants bore rule over the people, but I did not do so, because of the fear of God. 16Indeed, I also continued the work on this wall, and we did not buy any land. All my servants were gathered there for the work.

17And at my table were one hundred and fifty Jews and rulers, besides those who came to us from the nations around us. 18Now that which was prepared daily was one ox and six choice sheep. Also fowl were prepared for me, and once every ten days an abundance of all kinds of wine. Yet in spite of this I did not demand the governor’s provisions, because the bondage was heavy on this people.

19Remember me, my God, for good, according to all that I have done for this people.

Dual authorship. Paul wrote Romans but is Equally equivalent to say God inspired Romans. We call it the Word of God equally knowing that Paul wrote it out.

 

[JamOn]

Dual authorship. Paul wrote Romans but is Equally equivalent to say God inspired Romans. We call it the Word of God equally knowing that Paul wrote it out.

From what I’ve read that isn’t really what duel ownership is, haven’t read anything related to religion as a belief or something got any info on duel ownership theology.

but the copy righted bibles now that seems like man wanting duel ownership

 

[Roughsoul1991]

God givers man free will, God gives us truth and lets us accept it or reject it. I think you are rejecting it. You say Jude is scripture, it has been approved. Jude quotes Enoch as scripture. So if you believe scripture, do you say this is one scripture you choose to disagree with?

Back to your question on Angels. The Bible gives me all I need to know about Angels and no they are not all the same. Some are called Reapers, Archangels, Messengers, or servant types.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

From what I’ve read that isn’t really what duel ownership is, haven’t read anything related to religion as a belief or something got any info on duel ownership theology.

but the copy righted bibles now that seems like man wanting duel ownership

I said dual authorship. Strange this is new to you? Have you never heard of God inspiring the scriptures? Or the Word is living and breathing sharper than a two edged sword? A living Word can only be a Word inspired by God. Man doesn't have that ability on their own.

If this is new to you then I have to wonder are you new to Christianity?

 

[JamOn]

I said dual authorship. Strange this is new to you? Have you never heard of God inspiring the scriptures? Or the Word is living and breathing sharper than a two edged sword? A living Word can only be a Word inspired by God. Man doesn't have that ability on their own.

If this is new to you then I have to wonder are you new to Christianity?

Yes I have though that has nothing to do with knowing what people come up with other lingo as in duel authorship stuff or whatever. Copy right bibles are doing just that trying claim the Word.

Yes I don’t get into all the lingo with theology names people place on things.

 

[JamOn]

If those things are needed to be known as a seasoned Christian or knowledgeable of Christianity then I probably don’t fit the bill.

 

[Roughsoul1991]

Yes I have though that has nothing to do with knowing what people come up with other lingo as in duel authorship stuff or whatever. Copy right bibles are doing just that trying claim the Word.

Yes I don’t get into all the lingo with theology names people place on things.

If those things are needed to be known as a seasoned Christian or knowledgeable of Christianity then I probably don’t fit the bill.

Good glad you believe this. So if scripture has been inspired and God directed then why does the canon only have 66 books?

 

[Whispered]

What gives you the idea that man wrote scripture? Did anyone tell you that? If they did, it is in opposition to what scripture says about it and even if scripture didn't tell you that common sense from reading it would.

Man took it upon himself to decide what was written by the Holy Spirit and what was not. We need to carefully review what men made those decisions, why they made them, and when. Man is given free will, God does not control what man does as if he was a robot. We are told to be the servants of God and working with the Lord to protect His word is part of that.

I think what we need to have interjected at this point of the discussion is that men did not write the Bible . The Bible was not written but rather was compiled and over a period of thousands of years, over 40 different authors, and cultures and politics, were all part of the compilation process.
A book I highly recommend so as to learn the truth of the matter is one authored by a New Testament scholar; Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Bart D. Ehrman: (scholar and New Testament professor)

Ehrman started out as a Fundamentalist Christian. Due to certain happenings in his life he turned Agnostic. And yet, his book isn't in the vein of Agnosticism and looking to "debunk" scripture. Rather it is an in depth detailed accounting of how the Bible we know today came to be.

And on a personal note, I believe almighty Father of us all in the foreknowledge of what would transpire in bringing His breath into being for mortals consumption that in the process of that inspiration He told us He will speak to us in many different ways. We are of and from God , as His word tells us. We can never truly be separated from our source.

Source
1. God can speak through circumstances. God spoke to Jonah first with His voice, but Jonah didn’t heed God’s voice. So God spoke to Jonah through circumstances—first, being swallowed by a great fish, and second when a vine grew up to shade Jonah, and then the vine withered (Jonah 1–4). We need to examine our circumstances and ask if we are hearing the Lord through these circumstances. Ask yourself two questions: What’s happening in my life right now? What is the Lord telling me through these circumstances?

2. God can speak through wise counsel. This is shown all through Proverbs.When we seek godly counsel we can hear the voice of God. This counsel always complements Scripture. When we seek wise, godly mentors in the Lord, we don’t ask them to hear from God for us, but to prayerfully confirm that what we’ve heard from the Lord is correct.

3. God can speak through peace. I mentioned Colossians 3:15 in an earlier chapter—that God’s peace can rule in our hearts. The word rule doesn’t simply mean to merely exist. It means to reign or to be a deciding factor. If we don’t have peace about a decision, then it isn’t from the Lord. Don’t move forward unless you have peace.

4. God can speak through people. This pattern is shown all throughout the Bible.God brings wise and godly people into the lives of others and speaks through them.

5. God can speak through dreams and visions. This pattern is shown in the lives of Joseph, Solomon, Jacob, Peter, John, and Paul.This method is available to us today too (see Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel 2:28).

6. God can speak through our thoughts. Amos 4:13 says 
that God makes known His ways to us through our thoughts. In Matthew 1:19–21, while Joseph thought about things, God spoke to him. We need to be careful here because not every thought in our minds comes from the Lord. Thoughts can also be placed in our minds from the Devil. And we can simply think up things on our own. So every time we get a thought, we need to judge if it is from God. Does it align with Scripture? Does it in any way contradict the character of God?

7. God can speak through natural manifestations. Romans 1:18–20 states clearly that God can make Himself known by nature. The voice of God can be revealed through mountains, water, trees, meadows, landscapes, and more. In John 12:27–30, God spoke from heaven, but when God spoke in this incident, some people who stood nearby thought they were hearing thunder. There’s the possibility that this could happen today. Sometimes if we hear thunder, or see floods or hurricanes or high winds or volcanoes, it may actually be the voice of God.

8.God can speak through supernatural manifestations. God spoke to Moses through a burning bush (Ex. 3:1–4). He spoke to Gideon through a fleece (Judg. 6:37–40). He spoke to Saul on the Damascus road through a bright light (Acts 9:1–5). He even spoke to Balaam through a donkey (Num. 22:1–35).

9. God can speak through the Bible. Scripture is always the voice of God in the general sense that God inspired the words of Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16). God can also speak specifically to us through the Bible, by drawing a particular passage to our attention, because the Word of God is living and active (Heb. 4:12).

10. God can speak through a whisper. We discussed in an earlier chapter how God can speak through a still small voice. He spoke this way to Elijah (1 Kings 19:12).

 

[Dino246]

I think what we need to have interjected at this point of the discussion is that men did not write the Bible . The Bible was not written but rather was compiled and over a period of thousands of years, over 40 different authors, and cultures and politics, were all part of the compilation process.
A book I highly recommend so as to learn the truth of the matter is one authored by a New Testament scholar; Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Bart D. Ehrman: (scholar and New Testament professor)

Ehrman started out as a Fundamentalist Christian. Due to certain happenings in his life he turned Agnostic. And yet, his book isn't in the vein of Agnosticism and looking to "debunk" scripture. Rather it is an in depth detailed accounting of how the Bible we know today came to be.

And on a personal note, I believe almighty Father of us all in the foreknowledge of what would transpire in bringing His breath into being for mortals consumption that in the process of that inspiration He told us He will speak to us in many different ways. We are of and from God , as His word tells us. We can never truly be separated from our source.

Source
1. God can speak through circumstances. God spoke to Jonah first with His voice, but Jonah didn’t heed God’s voice. So God spoke to Jonah through circumstances—first, being swallowed by a great fish, and second when a vine grew up to shade Jonah, and then the vine withered (Jonah 1–4). We need to examine our circumstances and ask if we are hearing the Lord through these circumstances. Ask yourself two questions: What’s happening in my life right now? What is the Lord telling me through these circumstances?

2. God can speak through wise counsel. This is shown all through Proverbs.When we seek godly counsel we can hear the voice of God. This counsel always complements Scripture. When we seek wise, godly mentors in the Lord, we don’t ask them to hear from God for us, but to prayerfully confirm that what we’ve heard from the Lord is correct.

3. God can speak through peace. I mentioned Colossians 3:15 in an earlier chapter—that God’s peace can rule in our hearts. The word rule doesn’t simply mean to merely exist. It means to reign or to be a deciding factor. If we don’t have peace about a decision, then it isn’t from the Lord. Don’t move forward unless you have peace.

4. God can speak through people. This pattern is shown all throughout the Bible.God brings wise and godly people into the lives of others and speaks through them.

5. God can speak through dreams and visions. This pattern is shown in the lives of Joseph, Solomon, Jacob, Peter, John, and Paul.This method is available to us today too (see Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel 2:28).

6. God can speak through our thoughts. Amos 4:13 says 
that God makes known His ways to us through our thoughts. In Matthew 1:19–21, while Joseph thought about things, God spoke to him. We need to be careful here because not every thought in our minds comes from the Lord. Thoughts can also be placed in our minds from the Devil. And we can simply think up things on our own. So every time we get a thought, we need to judge if it is from God. Does it align with Scripture? Does it in any way contradict the character of God?

7. God can speak through natural manifestations. Romans 1:18–20 states clearly that God can make Himself known by nature. The voice of God can be revealed through mountains, water, trees, meadows, landscapes, and more. In John 12:27–30, God spoke from heaven, but when God spoke in this incident, some people who stood nearby thought they were hearing thunder. There’s the possibility that this could happen today. Sometimes if we hear thunder, or see floods or hurricanes or high winds or volcanoes, it may actually be the voice of God.

8.God can speak through supernatural manifestations. God spoke to Moses through a burning bush (Ex. 3:1–4). He spoke to Gideon through a fleece (Judg. 6:37–40). He spoke to Saul on the Damascus road through a bright light (Acts 9:1–5). He even spoke to Balaam through a donkey (Num. 22:1–35).

9. God can speak through the Bible. Scripture is always the voice of God in the general sense that God inspired the words of Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16). God can also speak specifically to us through the Bible, by drawing a particular passage to our attention, because the Word of God is living and active (Heb. 4:12).

10. God can speak through a whisper. We discussed in an earlier chapter how God can speak through a still small voice. He spoke this way to Elijah (1 Kings 19:12).

Why give credit and direct people to a deceived apostate who has become an enemy of the faith and steers people away from Jesus?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I think what we need to have interjected at this point of the discussion is that men did not write the Bible . The Bible was not written but rather was compiled and over a period of thousands of years, over 40 different authors, and cultures and politics, were all part of the compilation process.
A book I highly recommend so as to learn the truth of the matter is one authored by a New Testament scholar; Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Bart D. Ehrman: (scholar and New Testament professor)

Ehrman started out as a Fundamentalist Christian. Due to certain happenings in his life he turned Agnostic. And yet, his book isn't in the vein of Agnosticism and looking to "debunk" scripture. Rather it is an in depth detailed accounting of how the Bible we know today came to be.

And on a personal note, I believe almighty Father of us all in the foreknowledge of what would transpire in bringing His breath into being for mortals consumption that in the process of that inspiration He told us He will speak to us in many different ways. We are of and from God , as His word tells us. We can never truly be separated from our source.

Source
1. God can speak through circumstances. God spoke to Jonah first with His voice, but Jonah didn’t heed God’s voice. So God spoke to Jonah through circumstances—first, being swallowed by a great fish, and second when a vine grew up to shade Jonah, and then the vine withered (Jonah 1–4). We need to examine our circumstances and ask if we are hearing the Lord through these circumstances. Ask yourself two questions: What’s happening in my life right now? What is the Lord telling me through these circumstances?

2. God can speak through wise counsel. This is shown all through Proverbs.When we seek godly counsel we can hear the voice of God. This counsel always complements Scripture. When we seek wise, godly mentors in the Lord, we don’t ask them to hear from God for us, but to prayerfully confirm that what we’ve heard from the Lord is correct.

3. God can speak through peace. I mentioned Colossians 3:15 in an earlier chapter—that God’s peace can rule in our hearts. The word rule doesn’t simply mean to merely exist. It means to reign or to be a deciding factor. If we don’t have peace about a decision, then it isn’t from the Lord. Don’t move forward unless you have peace.

4. God can speak through people. This pattern is shown all throughout the Bible.God brings wise and godly people into the lives of others and speaks through them.

5. God can speak through dreams and visions. This pattern is shown in the lives of Joseph, Solomon, Jacob, Peter, John, and Paul.This method is available to us today too (see Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel 2:28).

6. God can speak through our thoughts. Amos 4:13 says 
that God makes known His ways to us through our thoughts. In Matthew 1:19–21, while Joseph thought about things, God spoke to him. We need to be careful here because not every thought in our minds comes from the Lord. Thoughts can also be placed in our minds from the Devil. And we can simply think up things on our own. So every time we get a thought, we need to judge if it is from God. Does it align with Scripture? Does it in any way contradict the character of God?

7. God can speak through natural manifestations. Romans 1:18–20 states clearly that God can make Himself known by nature. The voice of God can be revealed through mountains, water, trees, meadows, landscapes, and more. In John 12:27–30, God spoke from heaven, but when God spoke in this incident, some people who stood nearby thought they were hearing thunder. There’s the possibility that this could happen today. Sometimes if we hear thunder, or see floods or hurricanes or high winds or volcanoes, it may actually be the voice of God.

8.God can speak through supernatural manifestations. God spoke to Moses through a burning bush (Ex. 3:1–4). He spoke to Gideon through a fleece (Judg. 6:37–40). He spoke to Saul on the Damascus road through a bright light (Acts 9:1–5). He even spoke to Balaam through a donkey (Num. 22:1–35).

9. God can speak through the Bible. Scripture is always the voice of God in the general sense that God inspired the words of Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16). God can also speak specifically to us through the Bible, by drawing a particular passage to our attention, because the Word of God is living and active (Heb. 4:12).

10. God can speak through a whisper. We discussed in an earlier chapter how God can speak through a still small voice. He spoke this way to Elijah (1 Kings 19:12).

I agree with your 10 ways we hear from God but wouldn't recommend Misquoting Jesus
Dr William Lane Craig is a far better source and refutes Erhman and his book. He also debated him a few years ago.

 

[Blik]

This post has taken a lot of side issues on, but it seems to have decided that there are many different classes of angels, not just one. Also that devils are angels that rebelled against God. The only importance they are to our Christian walk, I believe, is in knowing that there are beings that watch us, support us, and help us with our walk. I think it is also important to know there are devils who wish us harm so it is important to walk with the Lord.

People who try to talk us out of doing that by such things as "you can't be sin free" so why try to walk in God's way or to walk with the Lord is to work and "works won't save" so why work
should not be listened to. We are to let Christ's spirit lead us best we can.

 

[Whispered]

Why give credit and direct people to a deceived apostate who has become an enemy of the faith and steers people away from Jesus?

Wow, you really don't know anything about Ehrman. That's too bad.

 

[Whispered]

I agree with your 10 ways we hear from God but wouldn't recommend Misquoting Jesus
Dr William Lane Craig is a far better source and refutes Erhman and his book. He also debated him a few years ago.

You're aware that WLC follows the Lordship Salvation doctrine?

 

[Roughsoul1991]

You're aware that WLC follows the Lordship Salvation doctrine?

What about it?

 

[Whispered]

What about it?

Just asking if you are aware.

 

[blueluna5]

The books in question are not missing but are not considered inspired. Some are saying people got it wrong. But that says that the Holy Spirit failed in compilation of the Bible. Then that forces the question of what else can or cannot be trusted.

Well people can sin and remove or add parts of the Bible. It even mentions it about getting cursed for doing such a thing.

They removed John 5-4 and I don't agree with that. It literally goes from 3 to 5. So God giving knowledge allow people to decide if it belongs or not.

It is mentioned about Enoch prophesied in Jude. However that never happened in the original Bible without the book of Enoch. All we know is that Enoch was not, for God took him. It would appear like a mystery we're missing, and we're missing it bc possibly they took it out.

It still wouldn't take away from God either way. His primary focus is to save our soul and so those are the directions we are given.

 

[oyster67]

are all angels the same.

There are good angels and there are bad angels.

Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

 

[oyster67]

I think what we need to have interjected at this point of the discussion is that men did not write the Bible . The Bible was not written but rather was compiled and over a period of thousands of years, over 40 different authors, and cultures and politics, were all part of the compilation process.
A book I highly recommend so as to learn the truth of the matter is one authored by a New Testament scholar; Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why: Bart D. Ehrman: (scholar and New Testament professor)

Ehrman started out as a Fundamentalist Christian. Due to certain happenings in his life he turned Agnostic. And yet, his book isn't in the vein of Agnosticism and looking to "debunk" scripture. Rather it is an in depth detailed accounting of how the Bible we know today came to be.

And on a personal note, I believe almighty Father of us all in the foreknowledge of what would transpire in bringing His breath into being for mortals consumption that in the process of that inspiration He told us He will speak to us in many different ways. We are of and from God , as His word tells us. We can never truly be separated from our source.

Source
1. God can speak through circumstances. God spoke to Jonah first with His voice, but Jonah didn’t heed God’s voice. So God spoke to Jonah through circumstances—first, being swallowed by a great fish, and second when a vine grew up to shade Jonah, and then the vine withered (Jonah 1–4). We need to examine our circumstances and ask if we are hearing the Lord through these circumstances. Ask yourself two questions: What’s happening in my life right now? What is the Lord telling me through these circumstances?

2. God can speak through wise counsel. This is shown all through Proverbs.When we seek godly counsel we can hear the voice of God. This counsel always complements Scripture. When we seek wise, godly mentors in the Lord, we don’t ask them to hear from God for us, but to prayerfully confirm that what we’ve heard from the Lord is correct.

3. God can speak through peace. I mentioned Colossians 3:15 in an earlier chapter—that God’s peace can rule in our hearts. The word rule doesn’t simply mean to merely exist. It means to reign or to be a deciding factor. If we don’t have peace about a decision, then it isn’t from the Lord. Don’t move forward unless you have peace.

4. God can speak through people. This pattern is shown all throughout the Bible.God brings wise and godly people into the lives of others and speaks through them.

5. God can speak through dreams and visions. This pattern is shown in the lives of Joseph, Solomon, Jacob, Peter, John, and Paul.This method is available to us today too (see Acts 2:17 where Peter quotes Joel 2:28).

6. God can speak through our thoughts. Amos 4:13 says 
that God makes known His ways to us through our thoughts. In Matthew 1:19–21, while Joseph thought about things, God spoke to him. We need to be careful here because not every thought in our minds comes from the Lord. Thoughts can also be placed in our minds from the Devil. And we can simply think up things on our own. So every time we get a thought, we need to judge if it is from God. Does it align with Scripture? Does it in any way contradict the character of God?

7. God can speak through natural manifestations. Romans 1:18–20 states clearly that God can make Himself known by nature. The voice of God can be revealed through mountains, water, trees, meadows, landscapes, and more. In John 12:27–30, God spoke from heaven, but when God spoke in this incident, some people who stood nearby thought they were hearing thunder. There’s the possibility that this could happen today. Sometimes if we hear thunder, or see floods or hurricanes or high winds or volcanoes, it may actually be the voice of God.

8.God can speak through supernatural manifestations. God spoke to Moses through a burning bush (Ex. 3:1–4). He spoke to Gideon through a fleece (Judg. 6:37–40). He spoke to Saul on the Damascus road through a bright light (Acts 9:1–5). He even spoke to Balaam through a donkey (Num. 22:1–35).

9. God can speak through the Bible. Scripture is always the voice of God in the general sense that God inspired the words of Scripture (2 Tim. 3:16). God can also speak specifically to us through the Bible, by drawing a particular passage to our attention, because the Word of God is living and active (Heb. 4:12).

10. God can speak through a whisper. We discussed in an earlier chapter how God can speak through a still small voice. He spoke this way to Elijah (1 Kings 19:12).

Please, I beg you my dearly beloved sister, get away from that man and his accursed and damnable book. Get into the holy and inspired Word of God. Vex your righteous soul no longer.

2 Peter
2:7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:
2:8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed [his] righteous soul from day to day with [their] unlawful deeds
2:9 The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

 

[JamOn]

Good glad you believe this. So if scripture has been inspired and God directed then why does the canon only have 66 books?

Haha Yea I’m sure your glad, same reason why there are chapter titles and numbering system and the title of the collection, bible.

 

[JamOn]

Not sure if your for the duel owner stuff or against it, but I know this much God created the tree man created the paper and the Word was written in ink, modern times it’s the manmade printing press that delivers the Word.