The Israelites were God’s chosen people and He had a plan which was all in His timing. Our ways are not His ways. Where do you read they all had true saving faith? Jude 1:5 states otherwise.
Apostasy 101
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So you got my point, no one shipwrecks a false faith. So since they did have true faith at one point, were they saved or not at one point?
Romans 13
8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” [b]“You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Enxu - they don't see it.
Exodus 14:31
When the Israelites saw the great power with which the LORD had defeated the Egyptians, they stood in awe of the LORD; and they had faith in the LORD and in his servant Moses.
Isn’t it blatantly obvious they once did had faith?
Are you reading a different verse? Exodus 14:21 - Then Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the Lord caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea into dry land, and the waters were divided.
You mean verse 31 - When Israel saw the great power which the Lord had used against the Egyptians, they feared the Lord [with reverence and awe-filled respect], and they believed in the Lord, and in His servant Moses.
Was that similar to the ways the Jews believed in Jesus in John 8:31? Yet we know ultimately what kind of belief that turned out to be, when we continue to read through verse 59.
I completely agree that certain notions sound frightening, distainful, and disconcerting...
Can we deny the Lord that bought us?
Can we forsake the right way?
Can they who escaped from bondage be lured back?
Can we deny the Lord that bought us?
Can we forsake the right way?
Can they who escaped from bondage be lured back?
Nothing is mentioned about them losing their salvation. The apostle Peter denied Jesus three times and was said to fall away, yet is Peter saved or lost? Sounds like a shipwreck to me but he survived.
The sheep can stray yes, but if they belong to the Shepard he will save them, and they will hear his voice and follow Him.
He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:25
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me; And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. John 10:27-28
The sheep who strayed and are in need of a savior - the sinner - are who Jesus came for.
On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners." Mark 2:17
Yup agreed. But if it is the truth, would you not want to know, as opposed to putting head under the sand? I would rather know.
Yes it should be verse 31, it was a typo.
You are departing from the simplicity in Christ by reading meanings into verses that are not there. Exodus 14:31 never carried the meaning “they seemingly had faith in the LORD”, neither did John 8:31. They had faith simply means they had faith. That faith changed later on into disbelief.
Yes
2 Pet 2:20If indeed they have escaped the corruption of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ,f only to be entangled and overcome by it again, their final condition is worse than it was at first. 21It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them. 22Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,”g and, “A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”
Yes, especially about denying the Lord that bought us! There is a verse on this!
But according to them, the Lord actually bought tares which never had faith! Lol!
I disagree because the entire Bible, whenever it mentioned the word faith, only talked about true faith. Any form of false faith is automatically mentioned as unbelief (or dead faith) You are deceived.
The John 8v31 was belief, but when Jesus explained what belief really meant, that is to TURN FROM SIN (v34-36) they took offense.
We have the same debate here day in and day out.