Oh yes, I see how well you exegete scripture so very impressive.
This is the "depth" and "nuance" of your mind.
Broken, since Trump won unable to have any clear thoughts, unable to process.
Another Salvation Thread: Sin and Salvation
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This is the "depth" and "nuance" of your mind.
Broken, since Trump won unable to have any clear thoughts, unable to process.
Yes it is true John Wesley did adopt some of this in his holiness movement.
Sacraments are means to impart grace.
In the Eastern Orthodox Church, the sacraments (called Holy Mysteries) are
central to spiritual life, acting as visible signs of invisible grace that bring individuals closer to God. They are considered a way for Christ's grace to be imparted, making participants partakers of divine grace and uniting them with God and the community. The role of these Mysteries is to provide a means for spiritual growth, healing, and theosis (deification), integrating the faithful into the life of Christ through the Church.
Deep theology does not mean it is correct, look at Calvinism and Roman Catholicism... they have lots of deep wrong ideas.
Average liberal discussion done in a safe space.
Instead of discussing with the person in front of you, you go and find some other argument that supports your beliefs and assigning those beliefs to the person in front of you.
#Trump2028
It is not my offense that matters it is protecting the efficacy of the cross and resurrection and all that that entails which is important.
Scripture tells us that there are works for the saving of the soul which differs from spiritual salvation which is a singular event in time, never to be undone or revoked.
LMAO
You want to "protect the efficacy of the cross"? You?
Some mortal in year 2025 on an internet forum wants to "protect" God? LMAO.
God doesn't need lawyers or soldiers lady. He wants believers to give their lives to Him in an instant if required. That's ultimate trust in God.
Or what? You gonna give me the Charlie Kirk treatment or something?
That would be a win win for me as I'd get to leave this sin sick world and go be with the Lord
There is a sin not unto death (John 5:16) which is speaking of making mistake (falling short of God's absolute perfection) which is things such as dropping something on the floor, forgetting to do something, or other honest mistakes.
This is quit different from walking after the flesh doing things God's Word calls out as sinful behavior such as getting drunk, smoking the devil's lettuce, using foul language, sexual perversion, telling lies and being deceptive, etc etc - all of which the false gracers continue to claim these things don't cause one to be separated from the Lord.
What the false gracers are really teaching is mankind does not reap what he sows as they are mocking God and are too slow to understand they are speaking for the devil due to being reprobate as the Lord has turned the false gracers over to to devices
Seems like you have a friend who thinks it's OK for Christians to live in sin and then falsely claim they are still saved.
There's no such thing as standalone spiritual salvation. Salvation encompasses body, soul and spirit, ie, the whole person. There will not be salvation of any part if the whole is not saved.
I too believe salvation can't be undone, if we guard what has been entrusted to our care.
Saved is saved, justified is justified and one is positionally sanctified.
God adopts and chastens his children.
That is Gospel, for reason people find this offensive.
Average liberal discussion.
"This is it and there is no other way. I'm done here."
And they come back half an hour later for more.
In your false doctrine of losable salvation, you deny yourself the peace and grace God has to offer.
People really do not like the invitation God extends, they prefer their own self-righteousness as part of the mix.
His terms are His terms, but you will not be persuaded.
Same ole tired .... sin, sin, sin and yet God took care of it and you still persist ..sin, sin, sin.
Not one thing you have stated refutes the completed work of Christ Jesus.
In fact you nullify the Gospel.
Lady, God gave you free-will since The Garden. That's why we're separated physically from Him now. You aware of this?
Do you even know what the word 'grace' means? Go ahead, define it for me. Because when i ask 10 people to define "works" for me, they give me 10 different answers.
This means that almost nobody questions what they've been taught.
Only to those that refuse to accept all that God's Word teaches which clearly states there is sin that does not result in death (separation from the Lord)
1 John 1:7
If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
This is what 1 John 1:7 is speaking of, the mistakes we make which are falling short of God's absolute perfection.
1 John 1:7 is NOT talking about walking after the flesh doing things God's Word calls as as being sinful behavior because it only covers shortcomings we have while walking in the Light and the Lord is in the Light, aka walking in the Spirit - not walking after the flesh engaging in sinful behavior.
Nobody expects the false gracers to understand because they are reprobate as they follow a different "jesus" and another "gospel" which is satan's counterfeit
We'll see in the end that the false gracers who advocate for living in sin will instead go to hell.
Too bad for them!
Nobody is advocating living in sin.
Such a lazy rebuttal.
Be honest are you a former returning banned member?
Sure, the false gracers will tell other that "we don't recommend that you live in sin"
But then they turn around and claim that even if a person does live in sin they are still saved because they always falsely claim it's not possible to lose your salvation even if a person turns away from the Lord to go back to living in sin.
The false grace people speak with forked tongue just like the devil!
Who has advocated living in sin? Acknowledging the reality of sin isn't the same as condoning sin.
Yes, as a confessed sinner David was able to see his need for salvation.
Psalms 32:3-5 teaches the same thing as 1 John 1:9, that if we confess our sins to God,
He will forgive us and we will be able to have fellowship or a right relationship with Him.