Another Salvation Thread: Sin and Salvation

[homwardbound]

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, let’s Corhear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

2 Corinthians 10:5, 1 JOHN 2:1-27 I have had habitual sin, and can still can have them again, and have. I see put past behind me and continue in trust to learn from mistakes made. Learn what is real truth from God the Father in risen Son for everyone. being under law is taken care of by Son for us all. John 19:30. Now to Believe God raised Son from the dead, and gives new life in the risen Son to us, to be new in Father’s Spirit and Truth forever, from FATHER’S VIEW, THANKS TO Son’s perfect work first. Born new by Father and Son’s done work, to now uphold Law as good, not to be under that curse of Law anymore. Romans 6,7,8 spell it out to me at least
thanks for your post

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Hmm. Seems like a silly thread now, just got hung up why a Baptist told me, once you are in faith, you don't make the same sin twice. Than I thought about what Creflo Dollar said, and thought maybe I'm missing something here. O.k., if we are all sinners here, can I get an Amen? lol

We're not sinners; we're holy ones who have been given a new nature that doesn't sin. Yet we still have a sin nature. If we walk guided by the spirit and word, then we won't sin. If we walk according to the longings of the flesh, then we do sin.

God is not a cruel task master that whips us every time we make a mistake. Nor is he a slackard who lets us do whatever we want. Grace is a window of mercy that gives us the space to make mistakes without fear, condemnation and guilt and to learn how to walk according to the spirit and grow into being like Christ.

Grace is not a license to sin. We are not under the law of Moses, but we are under law to Christ and he commands us to do what he says. Practice those things and you will see Christ grow within you.

 

[Cameron143]

Hmm. Seems like a silly thread now, just got hung up why a Baptist told me, once you are in faith, you don't make the same sin twice. Than I thought about what Creflo Dollar said, and thought maybe I'm missing something here. O.k., if we are all sinners here, can I get an Amen? lol

Amen. Good to see you posting brother. Hope you are well.

 

[kinda]

Amen. Good to see you posting brother. Hope you are well.

Yeah, thanks. It's been quite a struggle the last 6 months or so, but hoping my personal storm will be mostly over by next year sometime. Joseph and Job had a rebound after the trial, sure hope I will forget this year soon enough. 2025 was pretty rocky for me.

How is the joker doing? lol

 

[Cameron143]

Yeah, thanks. It's been quite a struggle the last 6 months or so, but hoping my personal storm will be mostly over by next year sometime. Joseph and Job had a rebound after the trial, sure hope I will forget this year soon enough. 2025 was pretty rocky for me.

How is the joker doing? lol

All good here, thanks.

Job and Joseph looked back upon their trials and recognized both that God was in them and the benefit of them. God delivers THROUGH the trial, not FROM the trial. Hang in there. God will meet you in the furnace.

 

[kinda]

We're not sinners; we're holy ones who have been given a new nature that doesn't sin. Yet we still have a sin nature. If we walk guided by the spirit and word, then we won't sin. If we walk according to the longings of the flesh, then we do sin.

God is not a cruel task master that whips us every time we make a mistake. Nor is he a slackard who lets us do whatever we want. Grace is a window of mercy that gives us the space to make mistakes without fear, condemnation and guilt and to learn how to walk according to the spirit and grow into being like Christ.

Grace is not a license to sin. We are not under the law of Moses, but we are under law to Christ and he commands us to do what he says. Practice those things and you will see Christ grow within you.

We were so close to unity in this thread, then bam o wam o....

I will leave it in God's hands, I personally can't grasp the concept of living a sinless life in a practical manner. I can do the best I can, but the rest is in God's hands. Just like what Johnny Cash sang.

So, you agree with what Creflo Dollar says then? Maybe your saying that the penalty of sin has no merit for believers? How can you say, we are not sinners?

 

[GWH]

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, lets hear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

I was raised in the SBC denomination, so OSAS was affirmed although not stressed in my church.
What WAS stressed (would it be sacrilegious to say ad nauseum?) was the Gospel message complete
with an invitation to walk the aisle. As a result I was a baby Christian when I encountered atheism at age 18.
It was never taught that saints would not sin, but neither was it taught how saints could become mature Christians.

 

[Gideon300]

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, lets hear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

Don't worry, ignorance of God's word is pretty much universal. That's why believers need to get into the word themselves as well as listen to sound teaching.

"Whatever is born of God does not sin"

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, lets hear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

Don't worry, it's not just Baptists who are confused. Every believer needs to study God's word for themselves, as well as listen to sound teaching.

"Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God." 1 John 3:9
"If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." 1 John 1:8
"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1 John 1:9
"But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." 1 John 1:7
"My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate before the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One." 1 John 2:1

It is obvious that Christians can and do sin after they are saved. So what's this about the born of God not practicing sinning? Romans helps here:
"You, however, are controlled not by the flesh, but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you." Romans 8:9-11

The born again spirit does not sin. Before we were born again, we had no choice. Sin killed us and controlled us. Worse, we did not consider ourselves to be sinners. I know a woman who drank wine and did drugs while pregnant. She blames God for her daughter's cerebral palsy. She is a good person - in her own mind.

Those who are born again know that they are sinners. They hate sin. If I meet a supposed Christian who has no conscience about sin, I question the reality of their salvation. Those who say that a Christian can't or won't sin after they are saved are ignorant or immature. And they are self deceived, because by implication, they are not sinning. It's called being self righteous. God calls that righteousness filthy rags.

Paul went from calling himself the least of the apostles, to the least of the saints, to the chief of sinners. One of the signs of Christian maturity is a greater awareness of how sinful we are outside of Christ. We are also much more aware of the power of the blood to cleanse, and the grace and mercy of God to forgive.

 

[Gideon300]

I was raised in the SBC denomination, so OSAS was affirmed although not stressed in my church.
What WAS stressed (would it be sacrilegious to say ad nauseum?) was the Gospel message complete
with an invitation to walk the aisle. As a result I was a baby Christian when I encountered atheism at age 18.
It was never taught that saints would not sin, but neither was it taught how saints could become mature Christians.

Yes. It's a common problem. I had little help from preachers and teachers until I came across Watchman Nee. "Came across...." Wrong. Someone I knew chased me down the road, pulled up next to me at the lights and pushed a copy of "The Normal Christian Life"into my hands. "You have to read this!" He said. It was the beginning of my journey to maturity. It's been long and hard and only by God's grace have I come to the knowledge of the truth. But W. Nee was the starting point.

God also led me to a mentor who knew Jesus in a way that astounded me. He was one of a handful of people I call "the shining ones". They are so full of Jesus that they don't even need to speak in order to touch my heart. God's intent is that we should all be like that and one day we will be. But we can make progress towards that in this life.

We need to know Jesus, not only know about Him. This takes time and diligence. We need to know Jesus as "The Life", not only the way and the truth.

If you mean business with God and you want to be mature, fasten your seat belt and hang on. It can get rough at times. But Jesus is both the author and finisher of our faith. Commit yourself 100% to Him. He will see you through. If He can do it for me, He can do it for anyone.

 

[homwardbound]

Yes. It's a common problem. I had little help from preachers and teachers until I came across Watchman Nee. "Came across...." Wrong. Someone I knew chased me down the road, pulled up next to me at the lights and pushed a copy of "The Normal Christian Life"into my hands. "You have to read this!" He said. It was the beginning of my journey to maturity. It's been long and hard and only by God's grace have I come to the knowledge of the truth. But W. Nee was the starting point.

God also led me to a mentor who knew Jesus in a way that astounded me. He was one of a handful of people I call "the shining ones". They are so full of Jesus that they don't even need to speak in order to touch my heart. God's intent is that we should all be like that and one day we will be. But we can make progress towards that in this life.

We need to know Jesus, not only know about Him. This takes time and diligence. We need to know Jesus as "The Life", not only the way and the truth.

If you mean business with God and you want to be mature, fasten your seat belt and hang on. It can get rough at times. But Jesus is both the author and finisher of our faith. Commit yourself 100% to Him. He will see you through. If He can do it for me, He can do it for anyone.

Mine, was Bob George, :Classic Christianity, Living above your circumstances, Complete in Christ
And listening to "People to People ministries, that helped me to begin to grow up into maturity by God, not me, where I finally accepted God by Son has forgiven me, whether I sin again or. not. Many fear they will sin all the more when they accept this truth, I know I did, and now know that is a lie, to let go and stand in trust to God alone, God getting all the credit, not me anymore
God comes through for everyone to see to decide to believe God or not personally. If beleive then the new begins to discern to reckon self as now dead to see new in God's spirit and Truth too
This kind of love that never quits, floors me, and am in thanksgiving and praise to learn more and more and more daily
God has never forsaken me in this amazing grace truth, I am thankful, the same as John Newton was and who wrote Amazing Grace

 

[homwardbound]

We're not sinners;

From God Father's view, thanks to Son doing what he did got us all. Hebrews 10:10, yet read that from verse 1, amazing, and then go to Romans 12:2 and ask God for God's view, to be thankful, and begin to learn new in God's Spirit and Truth where no sin is at at all. Be, reckon self dead to sin as in Romans 6:1-12 tells me at least. It takes time to get peeled like an onion and grwow new in grace given, not to be taken for granted, thanks to God

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

True. No longer sin after becoming a Christian (in contradiction to 1 John 1:8) is mainly what I hear from those folks. On a different Christian forum, I was just recently in a discussion with someone who believes that.

Someone asked him point blank: "Do you claim to be 100% without any sin, like Christ, from moment-to-moment 24/7?" He said YES.

Lol, we get a visitor here who keeps coming back under different names after he eventually gets banned for heresy. He claims that and a whole lot of other false doctrines. It's hard to remember for sure, but I think he was modalist.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

So, you agree with what Creflo Dollar says then? Maybe your saying that the penalty of sin has no merit for believers? How can you say, we are not sinners?

I don't know what Mr Dollar teaches, but the law has no authority over us because we are dead to it in Christ.

Does that mean we are without law and can live however we want? No because we are under the law of Christ, ie every word that comes out of his mouth.

We're not sinners because we've been born from above and made holy. We can live like sinners, but that's not a wise thing to do.

 

[HealthAndHappiness]

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, lets hear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

So, I visited a Baptist church recently, and had a little bit of discussion. I need to work on my tactfulness, since I might of offended someone, but my intent wasn't to do so. Anyways....

Baptists do what Baptists do, I get that, but some people who visit the church, already know John 3:16 and Romans 10:9. Let me try, to make this short here. So, basically what I'm getting at, is sort of a little bit of reasoning.

What's your take on sin and salvation? Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus, or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

He said, once you are saved, you won't keep making the same sinful mistake. So, I said, if we sin the same way twice, we are in jeopardy? He then said, I wasn't taking it serious. Well, if what he said was true, than how many would make it to heaven?!?!

I'm not sure, if I made this clear enough, so I will try to explain it another way.

Do believers in Jesus still sin, if so can we sin the same way, like have an on going practice of sin, or something else? I think heard Creflo Dollar once quoted a scripture that said, the law has no penalty on believers, since we are a new creation. Maybe I miss quoted him, let try to find the scripture.

• Romans 8:1: "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death".

So, hopefully I explained this clear enough, so people can understand. Are we without sin, once we are in faith in Jesus? If so, if we sin while in faith, are we not saved, or the sin doesn't count, because we are in faith? Basically what I'm getting at, once we are in faith in Jesus, what about sinning while in faith, is that possible? I ask this to hear your opinion on the subject, it does seem a little messy, for I thought the Baptist answer seemed unlearned, but maybe I was thinking not as a child in faith, but more of logical reasoning.

Anyways, lets hear your answers, so to speak. Hopefully, I made this clear.

Hi Kinda,

I was thinking about your thread and a couple things came to mind.

I noticed that many pastors in evangelical circles, Baptist or not, tend to repeat what they've heard from other preachers they always looked up to. This has led to the generational misunderstandings that churches carry on.

There's a time that I noticed this and pleased with the Lord with an open mind to teach me from His Word the issues of salvation. I was ready to change my mind (repent) if I should. Following Paul's example after his conversion, I spent 3 years studying the subject. That motivated me to continue.

1. One thing I learned was that sin condemns us.
2. Unbelief in in The Savior condemns us. See John 3:18 KJV
3. Promising/trying/turning with all the might your flesh can muster with the strength of Samson/etc is a modern rendition of "keeping the Law."
None of that saves us.
That is a self-righteousness.
4. Faith/trust/believe in Jesus Christ is the only way to be given that gift of righteousness before God.
5. These are 4 fundamental doctrines about salvation.
These are distinguished from God's expectations to believers.
They aren't excuses for the saved to continue sinning that grace may abound. However, we can continue to walk with the Lord by confessing those sins to Him. We should grow up and not remain in the flesh as much as babes in Christ. We should grow in love as believers.

He gave me this yesterday.
Galatians 3:2,1

21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law. 22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

He gave me >THIS TODAY.

Have a good day.

 

[GWH]

Yes. It's a common problem. I had little help from preachers and teachers until I came across Watchman Nee. "Came across...." Wrong. Someone I knew chased me down the road, pulled up next to me at the lights and pushed a copy of "The Normal Christian Life"into my hands. "You have to read this!" He said. It was the beginning of my journey to maturity. It's been long and hard and only by God's grace have I come to the knowledge of the truth. But W. Nee was the starting point.

God also led me to a mentor who knew Jesus in a way that astounded me. He was one of a handful of people I call "the shining ones". They are so full of Jesus that they don't even need to speak in order to touch my heart. God's intent is that we should all be like that and one day we will be. But we can make progress towards that in this life.

We need to know Jesus, not only know about Him. This takes time and diligence. We need to know Jesus as "The Life", not only the way and the truth.

If you mean business with God and you want to be mature, fasten your seat belt and hang on. It can get rough at times. But Jesus is both the author and finisher of our faith. Commit yourself 100% to Him. He will see you through. If He can do it for me, He can do it for anyone.

I agree and would add that it should be recognized folks have different personalities, so some may be extroverted or emotional
like Peter (Matt. 14:28-31) while others may be introverted or contemplative like Thomas (John 20:24-28), so we should not equate excitement with being spiritual or HS-filled instead of love (cf. the still small voice).

 

[homwardbound]

I don't know what Mr Dollar teaches, but the law has no authority over us because we are dead to it in Christ.

Does that mean we are without law and can live however we want? No because we are under the law of Christ, ie every word that comes out of his mouth.

We're not sinners because we've been born from above and made holy. We can live like sinners, but that's not a wise thing to do.

‘from my understanding. We are free to sin, since by Son all sin is taken care of by Son. So we are left with, all things are permissible, yet not all things are beneficial. I saw it is not well for my soul or flesh to drink, God showing me and quit over 42 years ago now. Yet I am to this day still not perfect, yet per God, thanks to Son I am perfect, This grace is sufficient for me, I glory in my need for Daddy’s lead
DO I WANT TO SIN,? Not the new born again me. Are you now perfect, neither am I, Trying to be that, causes me to sin again and again and again, Romans 6, 7 explains that, to me. Romans 8 shows the solution
thanks

 

[HigherGospel]

So, I visited a Baptist church recently

Sorry to hear that. Condolences.

Are we still sinners when believe in Jesus

Those who think God made us to be sinners when we got born again are ignorant of what the Lord teaches in His Word concerning the new birth.

It's sad that many teach the false doctrine that Christians are to be sinners and keep living in sin after getting born again and Christians can never cease from living in sin because they claim God made each person to be a sinner and put the desire to sin in to them when they were born

Man can live free from sin as in not knowingly or willingly doing things that are sinful.

Those led by the Holy Spirit do not do sinful things, but they may occasionally make mistakes such as forgetting to do something, dropping something on the floor, etc of which are falling short of God's absolute perfection which are automatically cleansed as we see in 1 John 1:7

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from ALL sin.

What 1 John 1:7 does NOT automatically cleanse us from is when we knowingly or willingly doing things that are sinful or if we do things God says in His Word are sinful and we claim we don't think it's sinful.

So it is quite possible to live sin free before the Lord and experience the Lord treating you as though you are sin free if we are being led by the Holy Spirit based on what God has said in His Word which IS Truth.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me

1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
New Man - Put on Christ

What makes us children of God is IF we answer the Father's call to abide in Christ having turned away from our old life of sin and walk with Him in newness of life

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

This is what baptism is supposed to be about... making a covenant with the Lord, a public declaration of faith, a commitment to put off the old man and put on the new man and to walk in newness of life

Romans 6:4
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We are called to cooperate with the Lord, to be co-laborers with Him. He made us in His Image, so we have free will... the Lord desires for us to willingly choose to turn away from our old life of sin and come abide In Christ and not turn away, ever!

1 Corinthians 3:9
We are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

It's God's work, His power, His ability... but WE have to choose to accept His offer to be His children and turn from darkness to walk with Him in the Light.

 

[HigherGospel]

or does the law have no effect on us, once we trust in the LORD, or something else? The reason why I ask, because it doesn't make sense, what the Baptist said to me.

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The baptists teach heresy on this topic unless you can find a good Anabaptist church but they are scarce

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Romans 8:1-4
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

The baptists teach heresy on this topic unless you can find a good Anabaptist church but they are scarce

The last part of Romans 8:1 is an interpolation copied from verse 4. It is not what Paul wrote. There is no judgment (translated condemnation in the KJV) in Christ, period. So verse 1 reads "There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus"

The righteousness required by the law is fulfilled in those who walk according to the spirit, as verse 4 says.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Those led by the Holy Spirit do not do sinful things, but they may occasionally make mistakes such as forgetting to do something, dropping something on the floor, etc of which are falling short of God's absolute perfection which are automatically cleansed as we see in 1 John 1:7

This is hilarious that you would equate dropping something on the floor with sin. smh