Anne Frank In Hell
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Yes, that would be somewhat accurate. The thing is that God is everywhere and not bound by time so He doesn't have to go back in time.
I'm sure that you will agree that God has known everything as long as He has been God and He always has been God. Any prayer that was ever said by anyone was known by God always because God knows everything. If He were to answer a prayer for salvation this would be a prayer that He always had been aware of. It wouldn't matter if the person that was prayed for was dead or alive because the prayer of salvation was always known.
Certainly your not against someone praying for salvation for another are you? You sounded a little disappointed that Anne Frank could very well be in heaven and not hell. Seriously, there is no way for you or anyone else to know that a person went to hell or not because you are not God and neither am I. God looks at the heart, while man is limited by outside appearances.
It is best not to judge someone this way as it is not spiritually edifying and you would probably be way off base in your assumptions. This counsel is for everyone to consider including myself.
The thing about prayer Ben as with anything else, God knows everything and has always known everything including a prayer of salvation. I don't believe that God would have to change anything at all but only allow certain things to take place leading to salvation. This salvation may have occurred a split second before death but it occur if the prayer was answered.
Well here's a question for you tourist: In 1972 I had a full-term still-born boy that we buried in California. When is his day of salvation?
The dead are asleep. Paul may have said: to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. OK, to close your eyes at night: presto - it is morning. It is the same principal.
Nobody is in heaven yet: John 3:13: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." They are asleep.
Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34, 35: "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool."
All the OT patriarchs are mentioned in Heb.11 and none of them have received their reward yet. Heb. 12 is just a reference to Mount Zion which is new Jerusalem, yet future. Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
This is where Anne Frank is. The question above is still valid for anybody.
Nobody is in heaven yet: John 3:13: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." They are asleep.
Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Acts 2:34, 35: "For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Until I make thy foes thy footstool."
All the OT patriarchs are mentioned in Heb.11 and none of them have received their reward yet. Heb. 12 is just a reference to Mount Zion which is new Jerusalem, yet future. Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
This is where Anne Frank is. The question above is still valid for anybody.
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Well here's a question for you tourist: In 1972 I had a full-term still-born boy that we buried in California. When is his day of salvation?
The day of his salvation was the moment he died while in the womb but I'm sure that God took him right away to be with Him so technically he didn't require salvation because there was no need of repentance.
I don't believe that. I believe all children will be included in the second resurrection given us in Rev. 20. Why would God that calls Himself love condemn most people that can't quite cut it with Him. The little season Satan is released is when the world will hold the "rest of the dead." That will be the time when God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh (Joel 2:28, 29). There is something character building about overcoming evil. That is why Satan will be used again, then destroyed (Ezek. 28:29).
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I don't believe that. I believe all children will be included in the second resurrection given us in Rev. 20. Why would God that calls Himself love condemn most people that can't quite cut it with Him. The little season Satan is released is when the world will hold the "rest of the dead." That will be the time when God will pour out His Spirit on all flesh (Joel 2:28, 29). There is something character building about overcoming evil. That is why Satan will be used again, then destroyed (Ezek. 28:29).
Could very well be sir. I believe that the dead are sleeping until they are resurrected but then I read that to be absent from the body you are present with the Lord. God loves all children and I'm sure that He is going to take very good care of them.
As I read thru this thread the thought occurred to me......Sometimes we forget that the Jewish nation as a whole rejected JESUS and cried, "LET his blood be upon us and our children" <---the context of this statement is clear.....and lest we forget....If I remember right, almost 1 million Jews (estimated) were put to the sword when the Roman General Titus suppressed the uprising in Israel and razed Jerusalem.......not that I am judging anyone's salvation....but we must be clear...there is ONE and only ONE door into the kingdom of GOD...just saying......
Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes unto the Father,
but by me. John 14:6
Jesus is talking about two aspects of salvation in this verse.
1: true faith and salvation in one's lifetime is only in and of Jesus as Lord and Redeemer
who suffered and died as an atonement for our penalty of death due to sin.
2: Judgement; in that all people will undergo judgement by Jesus as to life or death.
Revelation 20. Again it is only through Jesus that one has any hope of mercy and
forgiveness - it is Jesus who writes the names in the Book of Life or removes such
names from the Book.
All authority has been given to Jesus.[SUB][/SUB]
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So, your saying there is 2 ways?
and your view seems to dismiss that there are two judgments....
a. Judgment seat of Christ (BEMA) for the saved = rewarded for service
b. Great White Throne for the LOST = judged by the books of the law (the DEAD) standing before Christ <--REV 20
Okay, now if you could just prove from scripture that God will change a person's eternal destiny, not based on their own decision to trust Christ, but based on your decision to pray salvation to them on their behalf.
If God answered my prayer regarding someone's salvation it would of course lead to the person making their own choice in accepting Jesus Christ as their Lord or Savior.
I don't believe I have anything more to add to this conversation about Anne Frank so this will be my last post. I may read the posts but I will not be posting my own again.
Personally, I hope that Anne Frank makes it to heaven but I'm not God so who knows where she will end up despite my prayer and the prayers of others as well for her salvation.
Kind of interesting that folks are horrified that Anne Frank may have perished in a concentration camp and her soul be lost in eternity. Six and a half million souls were lost in the concentration camps in WW2. It is in fact a horrible tragedy.
How many people in the world today are lost and die apart from Christ? There are billions of souls lost in Islam and the far east religions. There are many more souls lost in secular humanism in the west.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
The fields are white unto harvest yet the laborers are few.
We cannot undo what has already been done but we can be faithful and witness to every soul as the Lord provides opportunity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
How many people in the world today are lost and die apart from Christ? There are billions of souls lost in Islam and the far east religions. There are many more souls lost in secular humanism in the west.
Joe 3:14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision.
The fields are white unto harvest yet the laborers are few.
We cannot undo what has already been done but we can be faithful and witness to every soul as the Lord provides opportunity.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It troubles me that whether for or against, you're asking for a judgment call, for we can't say where any of those Jews went.
With all the sin that surrounded them, Grace must have been enormous there.
I don't understand why you said 6,000,000 Jews are in hell.
(Didn't read thru the thread, don't know what anyone else said.)
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ann frank and all these Jews are in hell why exacty? because they are Jewish like Jesus, John the baptist, the 12 and st Paul?