Anne Frank In Hell

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Only God knows the answer to this. I believe it's sinful for us to even assume where a person goes after a physical death
 
I tend to feel the same way about particular celebrities who are into the occult.

... Maybe it seems ridiculous ... maybe I'm judging my thoughts too much ... maybe my thought processes "have issues" ... but I still care about people who are wrapped up in the occult because it also involves them being tortured, therefore suffering an internal Hell while they are alive.

:(
 
trofimus said:
This is an old way of thinking.

For 2,000 years, its church. The name of Jesus Christ is placed in church, not in secular state of Israel created by United Nations resolution in the 20th century.
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Not wanting to derail this thread, take a look at the many promises of the prophets to return them back to the Land and take a look around you at what is happening. Yes, they came back in unbelief as foretold but will one day embrace the true Messiah. As far as your RT goes...

Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the LORD of hosts is his name: “If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the LORD, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.” Thus says the LORD: “If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done, declares the LORD.”
(Jer 31:35-37)
 
renewed_hope said:
Only God knows the answer to this. I believe it's sinful for us to even assume where a person goes after a physical death
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Does this mean that OSAS is sinful since they assume the same thing about themselves?
 
DJ2 said:
Does this mean that OSAS is sinful since they assume the same thing about themselves?
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DONT TAKE THE BAIT PEOPLE, DON'T RUIN THIS HEARTFELT DISCUSSION.

Please don't make this into a OSAS thread, and derail the topic. It can be a sorrowful topic indeed, but it also addresses people's concerns.
 
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No amount of works overcomes the sin we have all committed...
The only thing that keeps one out of hell is the blood of Jesus Christ!
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And it is for Jesus Christ as God and Saviour to apply the atonement
of his blood upon whom he chooses.

14 For when the nations, who do not have the Law, do by nature the things
of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law unto themselves;
15 who show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience also
bearing witness, and the thoughts between one another accusing or even
excusing one another,
Romans 2: [MKJV]

The gospel gives opportunity for us to be within the body of Christ
(the Spirit-filled church) and to have a confidence and hope for our
salvation within our own lifetime, through faithfulness and obedience.

Condemnation is imputed upon those who hear the gospel and have opportunity
to repent, yet refuse this grace and do not believe.

The judgement of all of humanity (thousands of millions) will be conducted
before the great white throne (Revelation 20) and again it is imputed that
people will find their names written in the Book of Life and not subject to the
second death.

Rather than speculating over the 'fate' of Anne Frank it would be wiser for
Christians to be much more mindful of their own position in Christ and of
our own walk and shortcomings.

Are all Christians saved? I say no.


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trofimus said:
This is an old way of thinking.

For 2,000 years, its church. The name of Jesus Christ is placed in church, not in secular state of Israel created by United Nations resolution in the 20th century.
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God's Word never changes...

So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.(Eze 39:7)

That has not yet been fulfilled.
 
BenFTW said:
DONT TAKE THE BAIT PEOPLE, DON'T RUIN THIS HEARTFELT DISCUSSION.

Please don't make this into a OSAS thread, and derail the topic. It can be a sorrowful topic indeed, but it also addresses people's concerns.
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In other words, look away and please don't connect the dots.
 
I asked renewed because she was the one who I saw say it and so I thought I must be misunderstanding what she was saying.
 
Scripture tells us to examine ourselves and our eternal destiny. And it also teaches us to have hope for fellow believers and their eternal destiny. As for others, I hope God reveals Himself to them before they are without choice.
 
tourist said:
Why is what you say always contrary to what anyone else says? Do you really think for a minute that saying mom and dad are in heaven is a sin?
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It is by no means wrong to think our loved ones are in heaven. But what OSAS espouses is a scriptural certainty. A huge difference.
 
tourist said:
Since God always was and always will be at the time a prayer was said for someone who is already physically dead that person was not yet physically created at the time the prayer was said. Regarding Lazarus, a single exception made to an operating principal would open the door for yet another exception. Eventually, the operating principal will cease to exist.

Jesus did in fact pray for a dead man to come out of the grave. There is also a passage in 2 Timothy where it appears that it was implied that Onesiphorus was dead at the time Paul prayed for the Lord to grant mercy to his household and to Onesiphorus himself on that 'Day'. While I do not consider this passage conclusive evidence that Onesiphorus was dead at the time of the prayer I do wonder why not pray for God to grant him mercy at the time that he was still alive? If he were already dead what would be the point of praying for him if praying for the dead was an exercise in futility and to no avail.

2 Timothy 1:16-18
The Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus for he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chain, but when he arrived in Rome he sought me out very zealously and found me. The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy on the Lord in that Day, and you know very well how many ways he minister to me at Ephesus.

It very much appears that Paul was referring to him in the past tense as if he was already dead. Again, even if he were still alive why wouldn't Paul pray that God grant him mercy that very day rather than waiting for that 'Day'.

In my opinion Paul was praying for some dead guy. It is not my opinion however that Jesus prayed for Lazarus to come forth from the grave after being dead for 4 days. It is a matter of biblical fact.





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I appreciate your thoughts on this matter Tourist and I know you're not advocating praying for the dead like Catholics pray for the dead.

I surely do believe along with you and others that God is not bound by time and space like we are. God never gets old the way we do...and God doesn't have a long white old-aged beard. If God has a beard., He has one based on His own desire to have one. (lol)

God of course works out of time and space. Time and space are our limitations not His. Praise the Lord! :)
 
I will probably get it in the neck for this but I believe people who have little or no knowledge of Christ and the Bible are judged on the basis of what light they had to live by and if they lived their lives by it.
 
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