Anne Frank In Hell
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Yes. And we don't know what happened on her "death bed." The theif on the cross was saved on his death bed.
My apologies, 1Tim 2v6:
"who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time." (NKJV)
Nice bold letters for you.
I actually like the way Young's Literal Translation says it:
" who did give himself a ransom for all — the testimony in its own times."
Or those who hate China or Russia or Italy... any hatred is revealing something wrong with the man.
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What about hatred towards those in DC and its metro suburbs?
What is hiding there?
God has always been God and has known everything that has ever been known so therefore He has always known all prayers that were ever said. This is implied throughout the entire bible. I have offered a few verses regarding my positon on salvation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
Matthew 7:7-8
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you. For everyone that asks, receives. He that seeks, finds. To him that knocks it shall be opened.
Phillippians 2:13
For it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for His good pleasure.
I was going to say it is more a Righteous Indignation...
But hate is close enough I suppose...
I wouldn't feel comfortable justifying salvific intercessory prayer with those passages in their proper context.
Theologically, the bit about God hearing all prayers holds up, but I don't see a single shred of the Bible where someone prays for the dead.
The closest thing is probably Lazarus, but that was a special case. Nowhere after Christ's ascension do we have an Epistle
(or Gospel) writer praying for the salvation of the deceased. That's a mighty big hole considering a big focus of theirs was evangelism and solid discipleship.
Theologically, the bit about God hearing all prayers holds up, but I don't see a single shred of the Bible where someone prays for the dead.
The closest thing is probably Lazarus, but that was a special case. Nowhere after Christ's ascension do we have an Epistle
(or Gospel) writer praying for the salvation of the deceased. That's a mighty big hole considering a big focus of theirs was evangelism and solid discipleship.
I'm also not entirely sure about God existing outside of time. That's more of an Aristotelian supposition that's made its way into Christianity. Great believers have subscribed to it, so my stance at the moment is trust but verify.
Since God always was and always will be at the time a prayer was said for someone who is already physically dead that person was not yet physically created at the time the prayer was said. Regarding Lazarus, a single exception made to an operating principal would open the door for yet another exception. Eventually, the operating principal will cease to exist.
Jesus did in fact pray for a dead man to come out of the grave. There is also a passage in 2 Timothy where it appears that it was implied that Onesiphorus was dead at the time Paul prayed for the Lord to grant mercy to his household and to Onesiphorus himself on that 'Day'. While I do not consider this passage conclusive evidence that Onesiphorus was dead at the time of the prayer I do wonder why not pray for God to grant him mercy at the time that he was still alive? If he were already dead what would be the point of praying for him if praying for the dead was an exercise in futility and to no avail.
2 Timothy 1:16-18
The Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus for he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chain, but when he arrived in Rome he sought me out very zealously and found me. The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy on the Lord in that Day, and you know very well how many ways he minister to me at Ephesus.
It very much appears that Paul was referring to him in the past tense as if he was already dead. Again, even if he were still alive why wouldn't Paul pray that God grant him mercy that very day rather than waiting for that 'Day'.
In my opinion Paul was praying for some dead guy. It is not my opinion however that Jesus prayed for Lazarus to come forth from the grave after being dead for 4 days. It is a matter of biblical fact.
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Me either. I thought that God was love. I read that in John somewhere. Maybe it was meant to be taken figuratively and not literally. Wonder what else I got wrong about the character of God.