Actually, you said OSAS believers...
Cameron143 said:
This isn't accurate. OSAS believers would say He was never saved.
Not all Believers are "OSAS believers".
Andy Stanley's Apostasy
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Cameron143 said:
This isn't accurate. OSAS believers would say He was never saved.
Not all Believers are "OSAS believers".
OSAS believers...one who believes OSAS to be true and who is a child of God. Next time I'll write OSAS believers believers.
The Gospel is an offer you can't refuse.... and yet according to Jesus most people refuse the Gospel after the Lord makes sure they are aware of their opportunity to get saved:
Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Yep, the OSAS peoples are rather squishy people... soft and liable, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine (Ephesians 4:14)
Christians are too quick to accuse others of being a false teacher and a heretic. Christianity is full of false teachers. There's heresy in every church and everyone here is a heretic.
What we all have to realize is that there are very, very few DAMNABLE heresies. Andy Stanley is no more a false teacher than any of us.
Speak for yourself!
Some of us are smart enough to lay aside what we think and change our thinking, speech, thoughts, and actions to agree with what God's Word teaches and LEARN what not to do from God's warnings!
Big difference in being in error on something due to ignorance... verses teaching false doctrine by one who claims to be called to ministry of teaching God's people good doctrine.
If you'll notice in the gospels, Jesus had serious issues with those that claimed to be spiritual authorities over the people and taught false doctrine to the people.
There's a special place in hell for those that do this as they will receive the greater damnation:
James 3:1
Not many of you should be teachers my brothers, knowing that we will receive greater judgment.
You suffer from acute case of Cherry Pickers Syndrome causing you to reject God's warnings to Christians clearly indicating it's possible for them to fall way and not go to Heaven if they don't confes and turn away from their sin.
Your claim is people can go ahead and sin and God just plays like they didn't which is a doctrine of demons.... to hold your OSAS position you have to believe Jesus lied in John 15 where speaking of believers He said if any man does not abide IN Him and bares good fruit.. he is cut off.
Here's another one the OSAS peoples cannot explain way:
1 Corinthians 9:27
I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
Castaway (G0096 in Strong's) = unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate.
This is the same greek word used in Romans 1:28 when the Lord turned those over to a reprobate mind who refused retain God in their knowledge and walk with Him.
This means, Paul believed that if he did not control himself and went back to walking after the flesh HE would be unapproved, rejected, worthless, reprobate!
Obviously the Apostle Paul did not believe in "once saved, always saved" aka "eternal security"
Here's another one that the OSAS peoples cannot understand due to their blindness:
Hebrews 10:26
For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins
*If we knowing and willing continue in sin, Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross is no longer applicable and there will be no new sacrifice for sin forthcoming other than what Jesus has already done at the Cross. One must cease from sin for the work of Christ to be applicable to them.
You mean he's no more of a false teacher than YOU!
He clearly teaches that one can live in sin and still be saved... he's the top example of what a false teacher is!
The apostasy was a FreeMason strategy.
1. You get vocal "pastors" pretending to be speaking from the Bible speak hate towards sinners of the LGBTQ+ community.
Make it so that most Christians are disgusted and ashamed of these ones. Then
2. You get Mega church pastors to preach a message of love and embrace to the sinners of the LGBTQ+ community while ignoring the sin.
Describe the sin on the outside that a person does in their flesh as superficial compared to the faith on the inside in their spirit.
Ignoring the word of God that warns against the works of the flesh and condemns sin.
The only reason this was effective was because a huge number of those in the "Christian community" don't read the Bible.
1. You get vocal "pastors" pretending to be speaking from the Bible speak hate towards sinners of the LGBTQ+ community.
Make it so that most Christians are disgusted and ashamed of these ones. Then
2. You get Mega church pastors to preach a message of love and embrace to the sinners of the LGBTQ+ community while ignoring the sin.
Describe the sin on the outside that a person does in their flesh as superficial compared to the faith on the inside in their spirit.
Ignoring the word of God that warns against the works of the flesh and condemns sin.
The only reason this was effective was because a huge number of those in the "Christian community" don't read the Bible.
Yep, I've talked to people who believe that they don't sin... but their flesh does sometimes which is what the gnostics believed they they have never sinned at all, it was their body doing that.
It's sad that most folks go to church and whatever the cat up front says... that's what they believe.
I was always more curious than that... when I got saved I wanted to know what God says in His Word for myself.
And that's what many get upset with me about is they all follow popular teachings you here from the TV preachers which is nothing but ear tickling and they think I'm odd cause I'm not lock step blindly following what everyone else is believing.
Most churches today are nothing but social clubs... and Jesus isn't invited!