"... and the Word was GOd. ..."

[fredoheaven]

This is what happens when you insist something is a square-circle; when asked to explain, you can not, you rephrase the question - you want to explain a square separately and circle separately because they do exist, a square - circle doesn't, so can not be explained.

But God exists and can be explained in simple understandable terms that He Himself has explained.
Non of these is a trick question and the question about the nature of God should not be a trick question to anyone that believes.

1.Trinity being a mystery is a cop out; a line of excuse that can be used by anyone. I can come tomorrow and say 'God is fire, it is a mystery which i can not explain, i just believe it because it is true'.

2.If you believe something is a mystery, you can not tell someone else that they are wrong in their explanation because they are not you, especially when they do not believe it is mysterious but they do believe they can explain it.

3. Starting an explanation of how God is three in one and ending up with 'God is mysterious' is contradictory.

4. Jesus is one person and one God by himself. If you ever find yourself having problems with that, don't claim that the truth is in you.

Correct me if I am wrong but don't think you asked Nehemiah6 to explain but rather you asked him to answer a simple Yes or No. The Godhead is also found in 1 John 5:7 which clearly refutes Ebionism that Jesus is God the Father who himself become Son. John 1:14 does the same for the Word is not the Father, hence, the incarnation of Christ simply to answer that the Godhead is a tripartite being.

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

 

[Noose]

Correct me if I am wrong but don't think you asked Nehemiah6 to explain but rather you asked him to answer a simple Yes or No. The Godhead is also found in 1 John 5:7 which clearly refutes Ebionism that Jesus is God the Father who himself become Son. John 1:14 does the same for the Word is not the Father, hence, the incarnation of Christ simply to answer that the Godhead is a tripartite being.

King James Bible
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Good. I also agree the three are one. One person, three authorities.
Where does the bible say three distinct persons in one?

Simple question to you:
Q. Is Jesus one person and one God by Himself?

 

[PS]

Now that is really sticking your head in a noose. Why do you have a problem with believing that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are THREE distinct divine Persons (Beings), yet one God?

Maybe Noose was describing the tripartite nature of God? Rather than thee persons.

 

[PS]

Coz there's an obvious problem believing things that don't/can not exist. If you told me God is a square-circle, i would have the same problem believing.

Now, a simple question and i need your sincere, simple answer (Yes or No would do):

Q1. Is Jesus one person and one God by Himself?
Q2. Is the Holy spirit one person and one God by Himself?
Q3. Is the Father one person and one God by Himself?

My reply: There is One Father God who is Spirit and he came among us in the form of man.

 

[Noose]

My reply: There is One Father God who is Spirit and he came among us in the form of man.

That is the description of one person.
If you say there's one Father who is spirit- you have already covered the Father and the Holy spirit as one person. And the same person came among us in the form of a man- you have already covered the authority of the son.
So, i agree with you, one person, three authorities.

 

[PS]

That is the description of one person.
If you say there's one Father who is spirit- you have already covered the Father and the Holy spirit as one person. And the same person came among us in the form of a man- you have already covered the authority of the son.
So, i agree with you, one person, three authorities.

There is only One God and sometimes I think language gets in the way. Remember Jesus is only a name and not necessarally a different person. I have three names but am only one person. A clue to Jesus being God is that only God can forgive sins and Jesus did preceisly that.

 

[Waggles]

There is only One God and sometimes I think language gets in the way. Remember Jesus is only a name and not necessarily a different person. I have three names but am only one person. A clue to Jesus being God is that only God can forgive sins and Jesus did precisely that.

God the Father is God and Jesus is also God WITH the Father.
It is important to read the OT where God appears to persons where there are references to two "persons" as God and interacting
with OT people.
Yahweh speaking to Yahweh and the LORD talking with the LORD in the same situation.
The LORD our Redeemer, and of course Jesus is our Redeemer.

How does this all work? I really do not know.
The Jews before Jesus produced studies of the nature of God in the Torah and the prophets: they described this as
"The two powers in Heaven."

 

[Waggles]

Q. Is Jesus one person and one God by Himself?

Jesus is one "person" but not God by himself.
He is God with the Father.

 

[Noose]

Jesus is one "person" but not God by himself.
He is God with the Father.

Thanks for being bold about your opinion which basically shows Jesus is not God.

Another simple question:

Q. Is the Father one person and one God by Himself or is He only God with Jesus?

 

[PS]

Jesus is one "person" but not God by himself.
He is God with the Father.

I think you will find the Old Testament references indicate a later dispensation. I would always say Leroy Harold Scherer and Rock Hudson are one person and that Rock Hudson tells of a later period or 'dispensation' in the life of one man. He is not two persons.

Likewise I would say that Jehovah and Jesus are One Person and the name of Jesus indicates a later dispensation.

Perhaps the two images of the One God, from invisible to visible are nearer the mark than the two persons of God?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Maybe Noose was describing the tripartite nature of God? Rather than thee persons.

And that is the heresy of Modalism, since it does not present what God has actually revealed in the Bible.

 

[PS]

And that is the heresy of Modalism, since it does not present what God has actually revealed in the Bible.

We are not talking about modalism.

 

[PS]

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. (Heb 13:8)​

He is not three persons.

 

[PS]

Jesus is one "person" but not God by himself.
He is God with the Father.

In the beginning Jesus was the WORD and he created the heaven and the earth.

 

[Waggles]

Thanks for being bold about your opinion which basically shows Jesus is not God.

What nonsense is this?
That is not what I wrote or implied. You are deliberately interpreting all posts according to your peculiar doctrine.

Yes Jesus is God but He is not one God by Himself - for He dwells with God the Father and with the angels.
It ain't complicated.

 

[calibob]

Deuteronomy 6:3-5​

3Hear, O Israel, and be careful to observe them, so that you may prosper and multiply greatly in a land flowing with milk and honey, just as the LORD, the God of your fathers, has promised you. 4Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is One. 5And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.…
Berean Study Bible ·

 

[Waggles]

Jesus is God (LORD in the OT) and is one with God the Father - a unity beyond our minds -
but some aspects can be seen in the sacrament of heterosexual marriage - a man and a woman shall become one flesh.
Two people in a marriage but God describes this union as representing one body.

There are verses in the OT that describe two persons of God talking or God referring back to God …
12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.
14 And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites:
have not I sent thee?
20 And the angel of God said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the
broth. And he did so.
21 Then the angel of the LORD put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes;
and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the angel of the LORD departed out of
his sight.
Judges 6: Gideon

 

[calibob]

Jesus is one "person" but not God by himself.
He is God with the Father.

And Holy Spirit. Together they are one much like we are; Our Minds, Bodies and souls cannot be sepperated or we would be zombies. Jesus existed before he was born;

New International Version Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

When God said US, he wasn't talking to the angels. Angels cannot create.

 

[calibob]

Thanks for being bold about your opinion which basically shows Jesus is not God.

Another simple question:

Q. Is the Father one person and one God by Himself or is He only God with Jesus?

The three are one and always have been. We cannot define God by human logic. God is beyond our finite comprehension.

 

[bluto]

I think you will find the Old Testament references indicate a later dispensation. I would always say Leroy Harold Scherer and Rock Hudson are one person and that Rock Hudson tells of a later period or 'dispensation' in the life of one man. He is not two persons.

Likewise I would say that Jehovah and Jesus are One Person and the name of Jesus indicates a later dispensation.

Perhaps the two images of the One God, from invisible to visible are nearer the mark than the two persons of God?

I have to admit ps, you do make me laugh at times and this is one of them. So if I take your Rock Hudson example and said for example my real name is Jack and then I said my neighbors name is also Jack would that make us the same person? Of course this is not a good example so let me try this.

It says at John 1:1, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was "WITH" God, and the Word was God." Now if you read the context of the first chapter the Word/Logos" is identified as Jesus Christ. No bear with me here.

John 1:1 says, "In the beginning." Genesis 1:1 also says "In the beginning God created etc" Now, both verses start out with the same three words and I'm pretty sure you don't know the difference between the three words at Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. The main though in Genesis 1:1 is on WHAT HAPPENED "in the beginning. At John 1:1 the emphasis is on WHO EXISTED in the beginning.

So the point is the fact that Jesus Christ who is the "Word/Logos" existed BEFORE the beginning of Genesis 1:1. In other words, the Apostle John is telling us that the person of Jesus Christ was 'WITH" God in the beginning and is God." And John 1:3 says, "All things came into being by Him/Jesus Christ, and apart from Him (Or without Him) nothing came into being that has come into being."

This has nothing to do with "Names or Authority." What about God the Father and God the Holy Spirit? God in His infinite wisdom chose to manifest Himself in terms of a Father and Son relationship. This is how He commnicated to us in way that we would understand. It says at Hebrews 1:5, "I will be a Father to Him and He will be a Son to Me." At Hebrews 1:8 God the Father says to the Son, "Thy throne O God is forever and ever." Then at vs10 the Father says, "Thou Lord, in the beginning didst lay the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the works of Thine hands."

Going further into Hebrews at chapter 10 vs5, "Sacrifice and offering Thou hast not desired, But a body Thou hast prepared for Me." No matter how you slice it ps, you have three Persons in the Godhead that are all identified as God. In fact, the word "Godhead" simply means "Deity." So do us all a favor and start to "THINK." PS: And btw, instead of trying to look for "loopholes" or mistakes in what I stated, reason it out and think about it real hard first.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto