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I was thinking the video was ironic, because I could totally also view it has what evolutionist professionals do to the public to pull the wool over our eyes.
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I was thinking the video was ironic, because I could totally also view it has what evolutionist professionals do to the public to pull the wool over our eyes.
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how is it not inspired? os there something in it that conflicts with accepted cannon?
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iConflicted
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We saw stated elsewhere (my please explain if possible thread) that I'm questioning the canon. I am. I totally am.
To me, accepted canon means little. Because a man said he was inspired doesn't make it so. Constantine isn't in my Bible. So his inspiration leaves me with questions. Constantine was politically driven. Was he saved? It could happen. Did he see Christianity taking off on its own and wanted some semblance of control? Probably. He's human.
Test Me. That's the message I'm receiving from somewhere. I believe God is pushing me.
I'm broken sure. But I'm no longer stupid. I was shaken loose for a damn good reason and I aim to figure it.
Back to the topic though... Enoch may contradict the Bible, but I haven't found where. The simple fact that it answers the question of aliens from thousands of years ago gives me reason to believe we were meant to read it. The Catholic Church deciding it wasn't worthy for Scripture means little to nothing to me. I put no credence in man anymore. Fallible.
The Church was wrought with corruption. Still is. So why would I blindly trust what they tell me? The deception runs so deep.
Lies built on top of more lies. We are waking up. Slowly of course, but in God's own time.
Believe me when I say I understand how hard it is to break with dogma or tradition.
I'm not claiming you are mistaken, yet, just that your answers are answers we expect. It's the same answers we're always handed. Relying on 'its canon' can't won't always work. Canonized Scripture can be missing vital information. Why? Because I don't trust Constantine's motives. Why? Read his history. It seems political in nature and not spiritually driven.
I need a thread that just has my name lol.
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Punicestone Yes it was called that. I remembered after sending the message. Was God an Astronaut was the subtitle/blurp
on the cover. Yes it had some thought provoking questions but few answers. You are right about it being nonsense and all the cash he must have managed to get for it. Sounds like some Evangelists I can think of.
on the cover. Yes it had some thought provoking questions but few answers. You are right about it being nonsense and all the cash he must have managed to get for it. Sounds like some Evangelists I can think of.
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Constantine wasnt the best example to follow. he was a sun worshiper most of his life, had his wife boiled alive. supposedly became a Christian as well as a prophet but his prophesies only seemed to be beneficial to him. also he never was baptized until the end of his life, why did he wait so long? most agree that he didnt want to change his evil ways and thus he but off his baptism as long as he could. whats scary is Constantine set the foundation for many dogmas today that many many many Christians follow.
i have yet to see anything that would suggest Enoch contradicts the bible. from my understanding it syncs with the books. it gives more details on many things that many of us have always worried about. it was also one of the books among the dead sea scrolls. the "aliens from a thousand years ago" are in Gen 6, they are referred to as the fallen ones or nephelium.
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Hope this helps, brother.
The Book of Enoch is not Scripture. As such, the Holy Spirit did not lead the church to include it in the canon of Scripture. It’s full of false doctrine, doctrine that doesn’t square with the established canon.
This is one example, but there are many:
10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
Under the heading of canonicity, it is not enough to merely demonstrate that something is quoted. Instead, it is necessary to demonstrate the nature of the quotation. While Jude may have quoted from the Book of Enoch, the Book of Enoch that we have today is believed to be a far more recent invention (the older parts being from 300BC) long, long, long after Moses, let alone long after the late pre-Flood period. And the more recent parts of the Book of Enoch are believed to be from 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century BC (some of the text includes anachronistic details that lend credence to this theory of a much later authorship). In conclusion, at best, the Book of Enoch is Jewish Midrash, at worst it’s a culturally important piece of biblical fiction.
And here we should take Paul’s advice:
As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
Timothy 1:3-7
More examples of false doctrines in the Book of Enoch can be found at the excellent link below.
canon - Why is the Book of Enoch not regarded as canonical? - Christianity Stack Exchange
Hope this helps, brother.
The Book of Enoch is not Scripture. As such, the Holy Spirit did not lead the church to include it in the canon of Scripture. It’s full of false doctrine, doctrine that doesn’t square with the established canon.
This is one example, but there are many:
10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
And here we should take Paul’s advice:
As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith. But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. For some men, straying from these things, have turned aside to fruitless discussion, wanting to be teachers of the Law, even though they do not understand either what they are saying or the matters about which they make confident assertions.
Timothy 1:3-7
Under the heading of canonicity, it is not enough to merely demonstrate that something is quoted. Instead, it is necessary to demonstrate the nature of the quotation. While Jude may have quoted from the Book of Enoch, the Book of Enoch that we have today is believed to be a far more recent invention (the older parts being from 300BC) long, long, long after Moses, let alone long after the late pre-Flood period. And the more recent parts of the Book of Enoch are believed to be from 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century BC (some of the text includes anachronistic details that lend credence to this theory of a much later authorship). In conclusion, at best, the Book of Enoch is Jewish Midrash, at worst it’s a culturally important piece of biblical fiction.
More examples of false doctrines in the Book of Enoch can be found at the excellent link below.
canon - Why is the Book of Enoch not regarded as canonical? - Christianity Stack Exchange
Was Jude inspired to quote it or not? And Jude states that Enoch prophesised which is to fortell the future...what makes one think he could not fortell the future in prophesy and the judgment by flood?
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Yes, inspired to quote it, but that doesn't mean the Book of Enoch itself is inspired. Other authors of the books of the Bible quote pagans and God isn't encouraging us to see their writings as inspired.
Have you ever read the book? I have out of curiosity and I underlined certain traits and thoughts presented that could not have been known and have not been known until recent times....one thing that comes to mind is a mention of the solar winds....not saying it was or is inspired, but I found numerous items that seemed to indicate a higher intelligence than what a normal man could have produced.
Another thought...how many other quotes are inspired in the bible that come from non-inspired extra biblical passages?
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Tintin
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Yes, I've read it. Well, not the whole thing yet, but I have read the first 71 chapters (which are related to what we're talking about). Also, I'm not disputing the belief that fallen angels cohabited with humans and birthed unholy offspring. You do make an interesting point though.
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Tintin
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Oh, I wouldn't have a clue. I haven't counted them. But there are more than a few.
Yeah.....If I had my book here down under
I would list some of the things I have found that are intriguing.....I also enjoyed the book of Jasher as well....you know there are over 6 references to Jasher and Enoch in the bible.....upon careful examination when a book is referenced in the bible you will find at least two refrences to said books.....interesting concepts for sure.......and I agree with you on the fallen angels as the cannotation is sexual in Jude as what took place is compared to Sodom and them going after STRANGE FLESH........very, very interesting for sure!
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canon - Why is the Book of Enoch not regarded as canonical? - Christianity Stack Exchange
Thank you for this link TinTin.
This is going to take a little while, but I'll begin a new thread to address it.
Enoch's description of the heavens from a 'not on this world view' bring up interesting questions that lead me to a blog I read recently.
If Enoch's description of the Sun Stars Moon and winds isn't 'scientific' ... ...?
I appreciate you, TinTin. Your tone's changed it seems, or I'm reading you differently, and that helps me a lot to absorb what you're saying
Thank you for this link TinTin.
This is going to take a little while, but I'll begin a new thread to address it.
Enoch's description of the heavens from a 'not on this world view' bring up interesting questions that lead me to a blog I read recently.
If Enoch's description of the Sun Stars Moon and winds isn't 'scientific' ... ...?
I appreciate you, TinTin. Your tone's changed it seems, or I'm reading you differently, and that helps me a lot to absorb what you're saying
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Hope this helps, brother.
The Book of Enoch is not Scripture. As such, the Holy Spirit did not lead the church to include it in the canon of Scripture. It’s full of false doctrine, doctrine that doesn’t square with the established canon.
This is one example, but there are many:
10:2 Enoch allegedly wrote about Noah, even though the Bible teaches that Enoch was taken up to heaven years before Noah was born.
Under the heading of canonicity, it is not enough to merely demonstrate that something is quoted. Instead, it is necessary to demonstrate the nature of the quotation. While Jude may have quoted from the Book of Enoch, the Book of Enoch that we have today is believed to be a far more recent invention (the older parts being from 300BC) long, long, long after Moses, let alone long after the late pre-Flood period. And the more recent parts of the Book of Enoch are believed to be from 1[SUP]st[/SUP] century BC (some of the text includes anachronistic details that lend credence to this theory of a much later authorship). In conclusion, at best, the Book of Enoch is Jewish Midrash, at worst it’s a culturally important piece of biblical fiction.
More examples of false doctrines in the Book of Enoch can be found at the excellent link below.
canon - Why is the Book of Enoch not regarded as canonical? - Christianity Stack Exchange
Thanks for the info tint. I'm no expert on Enoch, I have only read parts of it when studying other things. 1[SUP]st[/SUP] thing I would ask is who wrote the book? does the book say anything about its author? That would explain the stuff about Noah.
Its quoted at least twice in the bible. And we have the passage: Deuteronomy 19:15 - in In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established..
I looked at the link you posted, it seemed to have a pre set biased against the book as many of its argument listed start out “seems to imply” or “seems to contradict”.
These are the issues I have learned about Enoch: the Enoch we have today and the Enoch in the time of Jesus don't seem to be the same. Most agree the first book of Enoch is the legit book early Christians and Jews read from and accepted but the additional books are not.
i have more to add but just got home
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tanach
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sunshine 84 LOL Some time ago I saw a cartoon book about God doing just the thing you mentioned. One was a picture of God chuckling at this man digging up fossil remains that he had planted there. Egypt was very God friendly though they had a
God or Goddess for just about everything. The original Stargate is one of my favorite Sci Fi films.
God or Goddess for just about everything. The original Stargate is one of my favorite Sci Fi films.
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