Analyzing the first verse of Job

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Analysis of the opening verse of Job reveals that Job’s genealogy is notably absent, whereas the genealogies of his three companions are clearly stated. Eliphaz is designated as a Temanite, Bildad as a Shuhite, and Zophar as a Naamathite. Also, Elihu’s genealogy is above everyone’s with even his father being named. (Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram.)

Logic should tell us that God had a purpose for leaving out Job’s identity and yet telling us where he lives. God did not give us a book full of filler words. The Bible is not a comic book, nor a book of fiction. The Bible is a book of truth. God says, “Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life.” God wants us to search out the Bible. It is like a Jigsaw puzzle where each piece, when properly placed, brings out more light on what the finished picture looks like, or God’s nature, or the meaning of the book of Job.

Job’s name is mentioned in the first verse, and the meaning of that name is hated. It is interesting that Esau is the only person mentioned in the Bible as one who God hates.

In the first verse God states that Job is perfect. The Hebrew word found here for “perfect” is “tam”. It should be noted that the first time this Hebrew word is used is in reference to Jacob, where it is translated as plain, mild, quiet, content, civilized, peaceful, even tempered, and homely.

Job is called upright in this first verse. We find Jacob also called upright in Deuteronomy 32:15. The word found in Deu 32:15 is translated Jeshurun. It should be noted that Jacob and Israel are often identified as one entity. The same can be said for Esau.

Gen 36:1 “Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.”

Gen 46:2 “And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.”

We are told Job lives in the land of UZ in verse one. Who else is described as living in UZ? Edom who is Esau.

We have two brothers who are described singularly and corporately. Those brothers are Jacob and Esau, or Israel and Edom.

Job 34:29 “When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:”

Ask yourself could Job represent the other brother? Could Job represent Edom? This question becomes clearer when you did deeper into the Bible.

Lam 4:21 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.

The first 18 verses of Lamentations chapter 3 have a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe that Israel received in Lamentations 3:1-18 can be seen in the book of Job. Was Job representing Edom? (Whether against a nation or a man only. Job 34:29)

Can there be another narrative rather than Job suffered without cause?
 
tttallison said:
Analysis of the opening verse of Job reveals that Job’s genealogy is notably absent, whereas the genealogies of his three companions are clearly stated.
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Hello tttallison, I'm not sure if this will be useful to you, but the Septuagint (not sure if it is from one, some or all of the codices) added a bit about Job's genealogy at the end of Chapter 42.

Here it is, Job 42:10 onward, that is, translated from the Septuagint:

Job 42​
10 And the Lord prospered Job: and when he prayed also for his friends, he forgave them their sin: and the Lord gave Job twice as much, even the double of what he had before. ​
11 And all his brethren and his sisters heard all that had happened to him, and they came to him, and so did all that had known him from the first: and they ate and drank with him, and comforted him, and wondered at all that the Lord had brought upon him: and each one gave him a lamb, and four drachms' weight of gold, even of unstamped gold. ​
12 And the Lord blessed the latter end of Job, more than the beginning: and his cattle were fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen, a thousand she-asses of the pastures. ​
13 And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters. ​
14 And he called the first Day, and the second Casia, and the third Amalthaea's horn. ​
15 And there were not found in comparison with the daughters of Job, fairer women than they in all the world: and their father gave them an inheritance among their brethren. ​
16 And Job lived after his affliction a hundred and seventy years: and all the years he lived were two hundred and forty: and Job saw his sons and his sons' sons, the fourth generation. ​
17 And Job died, an old man and full of days: ​
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(17A) and it is written that he will rise again with those whom the Lord raises up. ​
(17B) This man is described in the Syriac book as living in the land of Ausis, on the borders of Idumea and Arabia: and his name before was Jobab; ​
(17C) and having taken an Arabian wife, he begot a son whose name was Ennon. And he himself was the son of his father Zare, one of the sons of Esau, and of his mother Bosorrha, so that he was the fifth from Abraam. ​
(17D) And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over: first, Balac, he son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba: but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job, and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim. ​
(17E) And his friends who came to him were Eliphaz, of the children of Esau, king of the Thaemanites, Baldad sovof the Sauchaeans, Sophar king of the Minaeans. ~Job 42 Brenton's Septuagint Translation​

~Deuteronomy
 
tttallison said:
Analysis of the opening verse of Job reveals that Job’s genealogy is notably absent, whereas the genealogies of his three companions are clearly stated. Eliphaz is designated as a Temanite, Bildad as a Shuhite, and Zophar as a Naamathite. Also, Elihu’s genealogy is above everyone’s with even his father being named. (Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram.)

Logic should tell us that God had a purpose for leaving out Job’s identity and yet telling us where he lives. God did not give us a book full of filler words. The Bible is not a comic book, nor a book of fiction. The Bible is a book of truth. God says, “Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life.” God wants us to search out the Bible. It is like a Jigsaw puzzle where each piece, when properly placed, brings out more light on what the finished picture looks like, or God’s nature, or the meaning of the book of Job.

Job’s name is mentioned in the first verse, and the meaning of that name is hated. It is interesting that Esau is the only person mentioned in the Bible as one who God hates.

In the first verse God states that Job is perfect. The Hebrew word found here for “perfect” is “tam”. It should be noted that the first time this Hebrew word is used is in reference to Jacob, where it is translated as plain, mild, quiet, content, civilized, peaceful, even tempered, and homely.

Job is called upright in this first verse. We find Jacob also called upright in Deuteronomy 32:15. The word found in Deu 32:15 is translated Jeshurun. It should be noted that Jacob and Israel are often identified as one entity. The same can be said for Esau.

Gen 36:1 “Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.”

Gen 46:2 “And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.”

We are told Job lives in the land of UZ in verse one. Who else is described as living in UZ? Edom who is Esau.

We have two brothers who are described singularly and corporately. Those brothers are Jacob and Esau, or Israel and Edom.

Job 34:29 “When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:”

Ask yourself could Job represent the other brother? Could Job represent Edom? This question becomes clearer when you did deeper into the Bible.

Lam 4:21 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.

The first 18 verses of Lamentations chapter 3 have a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe that Israel received in Lamentations 3:1-18 can be seen in the book of Job. Was Job representing Edom? (Whether against a nation or a man only. Job 34:29)

Can there be another narrative rather than Job suffered without cause?
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The bottom line I get from the book of Job is:
I see better to not deny God no matter what happens to you here on this earth first
The last verse Chapter 1 of Job then in Job 2:8 he tells his own wife, he will not curse God

So, lets say it is about Esau, or a correlation, Has Esau repented to God, to his brother? Does or dod Esau, Edom stand in belief to God afterwords?
There is scripture in Genesis, where the two brothers met up and Jacob was sore afraid and offered Esau much stuff. Esau accepted Jacob and told Jacob God has supplied for him. He had no need for Jacobs presents, just wanted his presence
Good analogy, thanks
 
tttallison said:
Analysis of the opening verse of Job reveals that Job’s genealogy is notably absent, whereas the genealogies of his three companions are clearly stated. Eliphaz is designated as a Temanite, Bildad as a Shuhite, and Zophar as a Naamathite. Also, Elihu’s genealogy is above everyone’s with even his father being named. (Elihu the son of Barachel the Buzite, of the kindred of Ram.)

Logic should tell us that God had a purpose for leaving out Job’s identity and yet telling us where he lives. God did not give us a book full of filler words. The Bible is not a comic book, nor a book of fiction. The Bible is a book of truth. God says, “Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life.” God wants us to search out the Bible. It is like a Jigsaw puzzle where each piece, when properly placed, brings out more light on what the finished picture looks like, or God’s nature, or the meaning of the book of Job.

Job’s name is mentioned in the first verse, and the meaning of that name is hated. It is interesting that Esau is the only person mentioned in the Bible as one who God hates.

In the first verse God states that Job is perfect. The Hebrew word found here for “perfect” is “tam”. It should be noted that the first time this Hebrew word is used is in reference to Jacob, where it is translated as plain, mild, quiet, content, civilized, peaceful, even tempered, and homely.

Job is called upright in this first verse. We find Jacob also called upright in Deuteronomy 32:15. The word found in Deu 32:15 is translated Jeshurun. It should be noted that Jacob and Israel are often identified as one entity. The same can be said for Esau.

Gen 36:1 “Now these are the generations of Esau, who is Edom.”

Gen 46:2 “And God spake unto Israel in the visions of the night, and said, Jacob, Jacob. And he said, Here am I.”

We are told Job lives in the land of UZ in verse one. Who else is described as living in UZ? Edom who is Esau.

We have two brothers who are described singularly and corporately. Those brothers are Jacob and Esau, or Israel and Edom.

Job 34:29 “When he giveth quietness, who then can make trouble? and when he hideth his face, who then can behold him? whether it be done against a nation, or against a man only:”

Ask yourself could Job represent the other brother? Could Job represent Edom? This question becomes clearer when you did deeper into the Bible.

Lam 4:21 Rejoice and be glad, O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shalt be drunken, and shalt make thyself naked.

The first 18 verses of Lamentations chapter 3 have a parallel verse in the book of Job. The cup of woe that Israel received in Lamentations 3:1-18 can be seen in the book of Job. Was Job representing Edom? (Whether against a nation or a man only. Job 34:29)

Can there be another narrative rather than Job suffered without cause?
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Job is a type of the nation of Israel during the tribulation. Israel will be persecuted by the devil for 42 months which aligns with the 42 chapters of Job. In the end, Job was given more than he ever had because he endured to the end. The remnant of Israel will endure to the end of the tribulation and will be ushered into the Lord's earthly kingdom.
 
Deuteronomy said:
Hello tttallison, I'm not sure if this will be useful to you, but the Septuagint (not sure if it is from one, some or all of the codices) added a bit about Job's genealogy at the end of Chapter 42.

Here it is, Job 42:10 onward, that is, translated from the Septuagint:

Job 42​
10 And the Lord prospered Job: and when he prayed also for his friends, he forgave them their sin: and the Lord gave Job twice as much, even the double of what he had before. ​
11 And all his brethren and his sisters heard all that had happened to him, and they came to him, and so did all that had known him from the first: and they ate and drank with him, and comforted him, and wondered at all that the Lord had brought upon him: and each one gave him a lamb, and four drachms' weight of gold, even of unstamped gold. ​
12 And the Lord blessed the latter end of Job, more than the beginning: and his cattle were fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen, a thousand she-asses of the pastures. ​
13 And there were born to him seven sons and three daughters. ​
14 And he called the first Day, and the second Casia, and the third Amalthaea's horn. ​
15 And there were not found in comparison with the daughters of Job, fairer women than they in all the world: and their father gave them an inheritance among their brethren. ​
16 And Job lived after his affliction a hundred and seventy years: and all the years he lived were two hundred and forty: and Job saw his sons and his sons' sons, the fourth generation. ​
17 And Job died, an old man and full of days: ​
​
(17A) and it is written that he will rise again with those whom the Lord raises up. ​
(17B) This man is described in the Syriac book as living in the land of Ausis, on the borders of Idumea and Arabia: and his name before was Jobab; ​
(17C) and having taken an Arabian wife, he begot a son whose name was Ennon. And he himself was the son of his father Zare, one of the sons of Esau, and of his mother Bosorrha, so that he was the fifth from Abraam. ​
(17D) And these were the kings who reigned in Edom, which country he also ruled over: first, Balac, he son of Beor, and the name of his city was Dennaba: but after Balac, Jobab, who is called Job, and after him Asom, who was governor out of the country of Thaeman: and after him Adad, the son of Barad, who destroyed Madiam in the plain of Moab; and the name of his city was Gethaim. ​
(17E) And his friends who came to him were Eliphaz, of the children of Esau, king of the Thaemanites, Baldad sovof the Sauchaeans, Sophar king of the Minaeans. ~Job 42 Brenton's Septuagint Translation​

~Deuteronomy
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Brenton's translation of the Septuagint is actually a translation of the Codex Vaticanus 1209. As early as 1580 it was recorded that this manuscript from the Vatican Library had been reinked, and the scribe had replaced the old letters with new ones, and was no longer of any value. This is recorded in "Introductory Lectures to the Sacred Books of the New Testament. By Johann David Michaelis. Originally printed in German and published in Gottingen in 1750. Within the Codex Vaticanus 1209 on page 1512, in the margin, are the words of a scribe, "Fool and knave, leave the old reading and do not change it." Even NETS (New English translation of the Septuagint by Oxford University) admits that the Septuagint does not exist today, and they only keep the title "Septuagint" due to tradition.

Do we do our studying of the Bible from the canon, or do we study from a mishmash that has no chain of evidence?
 
homwardbound said:
The bottom line I get from the book of Job is:
I see better to not deny God no matter what happens to you here on this earth first
The last verse Chapter 1 of Job then in Job 2:8 he tells his own wife, he will not curse God

So, lets say it is about Esau, or a correlation, Has Esau repented to God, to his brother? Does or dod Esau, Edom stand in belief to God afterwords?
There is scripture in Genesis, where the two brothers met up and Jacob was sore afraid and offered Esau much stuff. Esau accepted Jacob and told Jacob God has supplied for him. He had no need for Jacobs presents, just wanted his presence
Good analogy, thanks
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God never reneges on a promise.

Gen 27:32-39 And Isaac his father said unto him, Who art thou? And he said, I am thy son, thy firstborn Esau. And Isaac trembled very exceedingly, and said, Who? where is he that hath taken venison, and brought it me, and I have eaten of all before thou camest, and have blessed him? yea, and he shall be blessed. And when Esau heard the words of his father, he cried with a great and exceeding bitter cry, and said unto his father, Bless me, even me also, O my father. And he said, Thy brother came with subtilty, and hath taken away thy blessing. And he said, Is not he rightly named Jacob? for he hath supplanted me these two times: he took away my birthright; and, behold, now he hath taken away my blessing. And he said, Hast thou not reserved a blessing for me? And Isaac answered and said unto Esau, Behold, I have made him thy lord, and all his brethren have I given to him for servants; and with corn and wine have I sustained him: and what shall I do now unto thee, my son? And Esau said unto his father, Hast thou but one blessing, my father? bless me, even me also, O my father. And Esau lifted up his voice, and wept. And Isaac his father answered and said unto him, Behold, thy dwelling shall be the fatness of the earth, and of the dew of heaven from above;

Job 29:6 When I washed my steps with butter, and the rock poured me out rivers of oil;
Job 29:19 My root was spread out by the waters, and the dew lay all night upon my branch.

In the two above verses we see Job lamenting the blessings he had received, and the loss of them.



In the two above verses we see the daughter of Edom(Esau) who dwells in Uz receiving the cup of woe which had just been poured out on the daughter of Zion(Israel/Jacob).

Job received an identical cup of woe from God that the daughter of Edom and the daughter of Zion received.

There is only three places where the land of Uz is mentioned in the bible. One is Job, one is Jeremiah, and one is Lamentations 4:21. Only in Lamentations and Job are the residents specified. In Lamentations we are told that it is the land of Edom(Esau). In Job we are told that Job is the greatest man in Uz. In Lamentations we are told that a cup of woe is passed from Jacob(Zion) to Esau(Edom). Continued---
 
There is only three places where the land of Uz is mentioned in the bible. One is Job, one is Jeremiah, and one is Lamentations 4:21. Only in Lamentations and Job are the residents specified. In Lamentations we are told that it is the land of Edom(Esau). In Job we are told that Job is the greatest man in Uz. In Lamentations we are told that a cup of woe is passed from Jacob(Zion) to Esau(Edom).


As we compare the book of Job with Lamentations we see that the woes of Israel run parallel with the woes of Job.

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Lamentations 3:1 I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.
Job 9:34 Let him take his rod away from me, and let not his fear terrify me.
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Lamentations 3:2 He hath led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.
Job 3:4 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. Job 19:8 He hath fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
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Lamentations 3:3 Surely against me is he turned; he turns his hand against me all the day.
Job 30:21 You have become cruel to me; with your strong hand you oppose yourself against me.
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Lamentations 3:4 My flesh and my skin has he made old; he hath broken my bones.
Job 30:30 My skin is black upon me and my bones are burned with heat.
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Lamentations 3:5 He has builded against me, and compassed me with gall and travel.
Job 16:13 His archers compass me round about, he cleaves my reins asunder, and does not spare; he pours out my gall upon the ground.
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Lamentations 3:6 He has set me in dark places, as they that be dead of old.
Job 19:8 He has fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he hath set darkness in my paths.
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Lamentations 3:7 He has hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he has made my chain heavy.
Job 3:23 Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, and whom God hath hedged in.
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Lamentations 3:8 Also when I cry and shout, he shuts out my prayer.
Job 19:7 Behold, I cry out of wrong, but I am not heard: I cry aloud, but there is no judgment.
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Lamentations 3:9 He has enclosed my ways with hewn stone, he has made my paths crooked.
Job 30:13 They mar my path, they set forward my calamity, they have no helper.
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Lamentations 3:10 He was unto me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.
Job 10:16 --. You hunt me as a fierce lion: and again you show yourself marvelous upon me.
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Lamentations 3:11 He has turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he has made me desolate.
Job 16:7 But now he has made me weary: you have made desolate all my company.
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Lamentations 3:12 He has bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.
Job 6:4 For the arrows of the Almighty are within me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the terrors of God do set themselves in array against me.
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Lamentations 3:13 He caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.
Job 16:13 His archers compass me round about, he cleaveth my reins asunder, and doth not spare; he poureth out my gall upon the ground.
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Lamentations 3:14 I was derision to all my people; and their song all the day.
Job 30:1,9 But now they that are younger than I have me in derision, whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the dogs of my flock.--And now I am their song, yes, I am their byword.
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Lamentations 3:15 He has filled me with bitterness; he has made me drunk with wormwood.
Job 9:18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but fills me with bitterness.
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Lamentations 3:16 He has also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he has covered me with ashes.
Job 30:19 He has cast me into the mire, and I am become like dust and ashes.
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Lamentations 3:17 And you have removed my soul far off from peace: I forgot prosperity.
Job 7:15 So that my Soul chooses strangling, and death rather than my life.
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Lamentations 3:18 And I said, my strength and my hope is perished from the Lord.
Job 19:10 He has destroyed me on every side, and I am gone; and mine hope has he removed like a tree.
 
tttallison said:
Brenton's translation of the Septuagint is actually a translation of the Codex Vaticanus 1209. As early as 1580 it was recorded that this manuscript from the Vatican Library had been reinked, and the scribe had replaced the old letters with new ones, and was no longer of any value. This is recorded in "Introductory Lectures to the Sacred Books of the New Testament. By Johann David Michaelis. Originally printed in German and published in Gottingen in 1750. Within the Codex Vaticanus 1209 on page 1512, in the margin, are the words of a scribe, "Fool and knave, leave the old reading and do not change it." Even NETS (New English translation of the Septuagint by Oxford University) admits that the Septuagint does not exist today, and they only keep the title "Septuagint" due to tradition.
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Interesting!

tttallison said:
Do we do our studying of the Bible from the canon, or do we study from a mishmash that has no chain of evidence?
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The Septuagint is a Greek translation of the OT, yes? I know little about it beyond that (other than it's traditionally believed that the Lord used the Septuagint when He walked among us, though I have no idea whether or not that's true).

Just to be clear, I posted the end of Job 42 + the additions to it in my first post simply as a matter of interest, not to argue that the additions should in any way be considered to be part of the Canon or that they should even be considered to be some sort of accepted historical fact, and not as a way of arguing for or against anything that you said in the OP (I apologize, I should have stated why I decided to post what I did to stop any confusion before it began).

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
 
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