This judgment isn't a condemning judgment, because when God judges His people, it's chastisement to bring spiritual restoration.
An End-time Revival??!!??
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"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." 1 Timothy 4:3-4
To you who question whether God is judging His church... He is.
Will everyone respond favoribly? No. Some will totally follow thru, some will start &quit, while others will continue on with their religious zeal as if nothing happened.
Mat 7:13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Will everyone respond favoribly? No. Some will totally follow thru, some will start &quit, while others will continue on with their religious zeal as if nothing happened.
Mat 7:13“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14For the gate is narrow and the way is hard that leads to life, and those who find it are few.
Is there any other way Christ can get His church ready for His coming in these last days besides judgment? When I look at the church going through everything today, I can think of nothing else but judgment. I see nothing else but judgment.
What are your conclusions?
What are your conclusions?
Definitely not.He gave us dominion in the first chapter, if the gospel is not shared and accepted with fervency, the trouble is not on His end.
First tihng imo is to understand ""ekklesia" incerrectly translated as "church" in most Bibles. The meaning of ekklesia is a “called out assembly” not a building. So if we are looking for a revival of truth in buildings or from mega preachers, etc. we are not looking in the right place. Add the fact most of the have already been seized by impostors then doubly so. The revival takes place with those who are touched by the Spirit of YHWH leading them to truth and guiding their walk.
G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklesia (ek-klee-siy'-a) n.
1. (literally) a “calling out.” (see H4744 for usage in Israel).
2. (concretely, of Greece) an assembly of citizens (as called out by the town crier for a specific purpose).
3. (specifically, of Jesus) a called out assembly of the Redeemed of Jesus (Yeshua).
4. (specially, of Jesus) the citizenry of the Redeemed of Jesus whether being on earth or in heaven or both.
5. (of ancient continuity) a called out assembly (of the Redeemed Kinsmen of Yahweh— out of captivity; see Nehemiah 8:8, then Exodus 6:6, Exodus 15:13).
6. (Note #1) (“called out assembly” is first used by context in the Old Covenant in Nehemiah 8:8, Isaiah 1:13, Isaiah 4:5).
7. (Note #2) (some of the Septuagint translators did not recognize and grasp this Hebraic context, and they mistranslated the Hebrew and also frequently misapplied this Greek word elsewhere, obscuring and distorting its meaning and application).
{used only of people, not a location, structure, etc. Of Christ, used only of the Redeemed, not of the unredeemed in their midst} [from a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564] KJV: assembly, church Root(s): G1537, G2564 Compare: G1218, G4864 See also: G2822, H4744
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I wouldn’t think of it as Judgement for say, . But have you considered it as this. For a long time the religious church organizations had great political and social power at least in America for a time. We are now in a time where the organizations have lost that power they once held in the world. We as church got used to that worldly power but now We are again beginning to see persecution for our faith. I think He is preparing us for what is coming soon. He is using a fire of affliction to refine the saints and bring us closer to Him in relationship. He’s also reminding us that He is in Charge during this refining. For too many years the church relied on human position and worldly power and I think He’s coming to take that power away to elevate His power.
“But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us. We are hard pressed on every side, but not crushed; perplexed, but not in despair; persecuted, but not abandoned; struck down, but not destroyed.”
2 Corinthians 4:7-9 NIV
I think the church long forgot it’s not our human power but His Holy Spirit . And I think he’s working on bringing that worldly view of church down through affliction. Who will be left standing? I bet after the birth pains in Matthew 24 what is left will be His remnant that he will rapture. There is a great falling away coming, love growing cold and our Church buildings won’t be immune to it.
We’re going to see it and it’s going to hurt because I imagine we’re going to see the reality of
“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
1 John 2:18-19 NIV
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Yup but I don’t think that is going to end it may even ramp up in intensity . I think there is going to be a sustained assault on the Church till the end to the point where it absolutely has to be Holy Spirit sustaining the believers not their worldly outwards, He may even bring down the papacy as it’s a high and lofty thing. I don’t think we’ve seen the worst yet. But I believe where you will see revival is the places where Holy Spirit dwells. As the world grows darker the light will be brighter and Gods manifest presence may very well fall on small measures of revival. Man I think we are so close to the end, we can taste it. There is something pretty wild that we can look to.
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.”
Matthew 24:14 NIV
It’s accelerating, pretty wild things are happening in the persecuted nations with Christianity right now as well. We are so close to reaching all people groups . AI may even allow for those last few groups to hear. The groups Without a written language. It could happen in our lifetime. We are so close to Matt 24:14 coming to fulfillment.
Please listen, this is really happening! Churches are closing, Denominations are losing members & nearly going broke.
Even many independent churches are closing. Members are staying home, with some going to the megachurches that feed them excitement as worship & give them moral works to do to satisfy them.
See, some here are saying the church is going thru the fiery trial of affliction. Others are saying the church is under persecution. These both can be true IF we see that the church is being judged for its sins.
To say it's not for our sins would be foolhardy, for we all know of sin in the modern church.
What church hasn't heard the message to get ready for Jesus is coming? And really, how many have responded to that message?
How many years has it been?
Judgment must first come to the House of God according to the scriptures. With the wrath of God coming during the tribulation, What else should we expect but God's judgment to discipline His bride before calling them home?
What we are experiencing in the church today is not the norm. Christians everywhere are searching for a church that has true worship, Spirit-filled preaching, & real alter calls with repenting saints.
QUESTION: When was the last time you experienced genuine conviction in church? I still experience it, but not in the house of God. It's mostly at work or at home, sometimes watching a good christian video on the internet. But not at church.
I truly believe if we pray & take a long look at the church, we can all see the difference.
Ask, & you shall receive; seek, & you'll find; knock, & it will be opened for you.
Don't take my word for it, ask God directly & let HIM show you!
Even many independent churches are closing. Members are staying home, with some going to the megachurches that feed them excitement as worship & give them moral works to do to satisfy them.
See, some here are saying the church is going thru the fiery trial of affliction. Others are saying the church is under persecution. These both can be true IF we see that the church is being judged for its sins.
To say it's not for our sins would be foolhardy, for we all know of sin in the modern church.
What church hasn't heard the message to get ready for Jesus is coming? And really, how many have responded to that message?
How many years has it been?
Judgment must first come to the House of God according to the scriptures. With the wrath of God coming during the tribulation, What else should we expect but God's judgment to discipline His bride before calling them home?
What we are experiencing in the church today is not the norm. Christians everywhere are searching for a church that has true worship, Spirit-filled preaching, & real alter calls with repenting saints.
QUESTION: When was the last time you experienced genuine conviction in church? I still experience it, but not in the house of God. It's mostly at work or at home, sometimes watching a good christian video on the internet. But not at church.
I truly believe if we pray & take a long look at the church, we can all see the difference.
Ask, & you shall receive; seek, & you'll find; knock, & it will be opened for you.
Don't take my word for it, ask God directly & let HIM show you!
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My Church leadership just this morning called the congregation for a 24 hour corporate prayer and fast coming up. Been attending services there near every Sunday for 3 years and I’ve never seen them make any move like that before. I think they know time is near.
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You are using that scripture in misapplication . That has nothing to do with punishment for sin. Christ took the punishment our sin deserved past present and future sin. You need to read the full context Of that scripture and it’s the persecution of the Church.
my study note in my Bible reads-
Judgement here is used in the sense of refining and proving. In 1peter1:6-7-The suffering that his readers are experiencing is not punishment for sin but rather the purifying process all Gods people undergo. The struggles we are experiencing as the culture turns against us is an opportunity for God to refine us both individually and as a corporate Church in order to bring glory to God through our joyful obedience in the midst of suffering.
“Dear friends, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal that has come on you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you. But rejoice inasmuch as you participate in the sufferings of Christ, so that you may be overjoyed when his glory is revealed. If you are insulted because of the name of Christ, you are blessed, for the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. If you suffer, it should not be as a murderer or thief or any other kind of criminal, or even as a meddler. However, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. For it is time for judgment to begin with God’s household; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?” So then, those who suffer according to God’s will should commit themselves to their faithful Creator and continue to do good.”
1 Peter 4:12-19 NIV
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We here are more and more receiving His outpouring of guidance and presence that this is true. Near and very near, to be as though, "plucked out of the fire".
bless you friend.
Thank you! great to hear.
We here are more and more receiving His outpouring of guidance and presence that this is true. Near and very near, to be as though, "plucked out of the fire".
bless you friend.
Barnes' Notes on the Bible
That judgment must begin - The word "judgment" here (κρίμα krima) seems to mean "the severe trial which would determine character." It refers to such calamities as would settle the question whether there was any religion, or would test the value of that which was professed. It was to "begin" at the house of God, or be applied to the church first, in order that the nature and worth of religion might be seen. The reference is, doubtless, to some fearful calamity which would primarily fall on the "house of God;" that is, to some form of persecution which was to be let loose upon the church.
At the house of God - Benson, Bloomfield, and many others, suppose that this refers to the Jews, and to the calamities that were to come around the temple and the holy city about to be destroyed. But the more obvious reference is to Christians, spoken of as the house or family of God. There is probably in the language here an allusion to Ezekiel 9:6; "Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women; and begin at my sanctuary." Compare Jeremiah 25:29. But the language used here by the apostle does not denote literally the temple, or the Jews, but those who were in his time regarded as the people of God - Christians - the church. So the phrase (בּית יהוה bēyt Yahweh) "house of Yahweh" is used to denote the family or people of God, Numbers 12:7; Hosea 8:1. Compare also 1 Timothy 3:15 and the note on that verse. The sense here is, therefore, that the series of calamities referred to were to commence with the church, or were to come first upon the people of God. Schoettgen here aptly quotes a passage from the writings of the Rabbis: "Punishments never come into the world unless the wicked are in it; but they do not begin unless they commence first with the righteous."
This definitely proves that this type of judgment has happened before at different times to the church. Knowing that it has, how can we possibly say there won't be a last one before Jesus comes?!?
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Because Jesus actually comes to judge the Church in Revelation 2. We are given examples of early churches and what Jesus is saying to them. We can infer that each modern day Church congregation will fit into the situation of each early church in Revelation 2 and we can see what Jesus will say to our particular church today and at the end of the age and if we repent we won’t have to hear “but I have this against you” it’s a rather life and proactive way to keep the church on the straight and narrow path to life. But if we don’t repent as a Church body at the end of the age we will certainly hear “but I have this against you” from King Jesus who is the Judge
We should remember that Jesus judging the 7 churches happens before the rapture.