Am I accountable for Adam's sin?
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Good morning, brother Oyster. Yes, we are accountable for Adam’s sin.
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned —
…but then our gracious God sent His only begotten Son to pay the ultimate price to redeem us:
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
- Romans 5:12,15-21
Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned —
…but then our gracious God sent His only begotten Son to pay the ultimate price to redeem us:
But the free gift is not like the offense. For if by the one man's offense many died, much more the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abounded to many. And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned. For the judgment which came from one offense resulted in condemnation, but the free gift which came from many offenses resulted in justification. For if by the one man's offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.) Therefore, as through one man's offense judgment came to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man's righteous act the free gift came to all men, resulting in justification of life. For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so also by one Man's obedience many will be made righteous. Moreover the law entered that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace abounded much more, so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
- Romans 5:12,15-21
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Yes, this is of course the correct answer, and for the reason you have stated. Simply put, because the Bible tells us so.
Romans 5:
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
I once grappled with these verses. Perhaps I thought that a person should at least be given a chance to lead a life of perfection.
When we finally get around to doing the math, we soon realize that our chance turns out to be zero. I finally realized that the little me inside of me didn't even possess the want-to to try. We find out that Grandpa Adam is simply a reflection of ourselves in the mirror. It's not so much that we have done the things that he did as it is... We are the person that he was. He is more than just our reflection in the mirror. Not just Adam either. Every person in the OT that ever lived in the OT or NT ended up in the ditch except for Jesus Himself. We are all birds born without wings. Pretty sad. Fortunately, Jesus agreed with that assessment and felt pity/love for us.
It still stretches the mind to comprehend eternal hellfire, but how much more it does stretch the mind to picture dirty little me in the perfect and pristine eternality of Heaven. I now realize that people don't go to hell for just sitting on a park bench and being neutral. Is it only for being born dirty?
No. It goes much deeper than that. What manner of man would openly rebel against such great sacrifice and love proffered by the hand of one so loving and kind as Jesus? It is that same man as would drive nails into the hands of the innocent. That is the depth of depravity that Jesus suffered and died to deliver us out of. Understand the dark depth of your depravity and take hold of His outstretched hand today. Treading the cold waters of eternity without Jesus should not be considered an option.
Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Romans 5:
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: 13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) 18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
I once grappled with these verses. Perhaps I thought that a person should at least be given a chance to lead a life of perfection.
When we finally get around to doing the math, we soon realize that our chance turns out to be zero. I finally realized that the little me inside of me didn't even possess the want-to to try. We find out that Grandpa Adam is simply a reflection of ourselves in the mirror. It's not so much that we have done the things that he did as it is... We are the person that he was. He is more than just our reflection in the mirror. Not just Adam either. Every person in the OT that ever lived in the OT or NT ended up in the ditch except for Jesus Himself. We are all birds born without wings. Pretty sad. Fortunately, Jesus agreed with that assessment and felt pity/love for us.
It still stretches the mind to comprehend eternal hellfire, but how much more it does stretch the mind to picture dirty little me in the perfect and pristine eternality of Heaven. I now realize that people don't go to hell for just sitting on a park bench and being neutral. Is it only for being born dirty?
No. It goes much deeper than that. What manner of man would openly rebel against such great sacrifice and love proffered by the hand of one so loving and kind as Jesus? It is that same man as would drive nails into the hands of the innocent. That is the depth of depravity that Jesus suffered and died to deliver us out of. Understand the dark depth of your depravity and take hold of His outstretched hand today. Treading the cold waters of eternity without Jesus should not be considered an option.
Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
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God put everyone in Adam, so everyone could have the ability to put under Christ.
In Adam all die, Even so in Christ shall all be made alive
everyone who is not adopted or made a child of God is under Adam, and they will die unless they have their state changed
Everyone who is adopted by God will live, because as the good books says, he is the bread from heaven, and anyone who eats that bread will never die. he will live forever.
In Adam all die, Even so in Christ shall all be made alive
everyone who is not adopted or made a child of God is under Adam, and they will die unless they have their state changed
Everyone who is adopted by God will live, because as the good books says, he is the bread from heaven, and anyone who eats that bread will never die. he will live forever.
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Accountable?
I would say we are more the consequences of his action which has caused us to be separated from God.
We are accountable for our sins not his sins. And I’m sure there are a few dozen theologies out there, where some might think they’re sinless since you got ”saved” but if that was the case then you’d be in the presence of God. Yet, here we are, separated.
Sin, is now a permanent spiritual sickness that we all have so Christ is our only standard to follow in this never ending pursuit of perfection.
As much as I get mad at Adam sometimes, I am also thankful to God that He gave Adam free will, because we appreciate God way more than Adam while being separated and Adam being in a child-like state had no idea what death or separation from God meant, because if he did, he wouldn’t eat from the Tree of Knowledge and disobey the only God’s command causing the first sin.
So we here, appreciating God more then Adam who was in God’s presence.
Same thing with Jesus. Most did not appreciate Him and rejected Him, but I would give everything if I could hear Him or touch Him or see Him now.
But He did say ” Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. “
So we are not accountable for Adam’s free will choice, we are his descendants and we are accountable for our own free will choices which we are to overcome on a daily basis through the help of the Holy Spirit.
I would say we are more the consequences of his action which has caused us to be separated from God.
We are accountable for our sins not his sins. And I’m sure there are a few dozen theologies out there, where some might think they’re sinless since you got ”saved” but if that was the case then you’d be in the presence of God. Yet, here we are, separated.
Sin, is now a permanent spiritual sickness that we all have so Christ is our only standard to follow in this never ending pursuit of perfection.
As much as I get mad at Adam sometimes, I am also thankful to God that He gave Adam free will, because we appreciate God way more than Adam while being separated and Adam being in a child-like state had no idea what death or separation from God meant, because if he did, he wouldn’t eat from the Tree of Knowledge and disobey the only God’s command causing the first sin.
So we here, appreciating God more then Adam who was in God’s presence.
Same thing with Jesus. Most did not appreciate Him and rejected Him, but I would give everything if I could hear Him or touch Him or see Him now.
But He did say ” Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed. “
So we are not accountable for Adam’s free will choice, we are his descendants and we are accountable for our own free will choices which we are to overcome on a daily basis through the help of the Holy Spirit.
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Not directly. However, it can be said that we were "in Adam" when he sinned. What he did in Eden was on behalf of the whole human race. Lord Jesus is ""The Last Adam". As Adam represented man in disobedience, the root of sin, and in death, so Lord Jesus represents man in obedience, holiness, righteousness and eternal life.
Hebrews 7:10 "For when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the loin of his ancestor." In that sense, Adam is the ancestor of fallen humanity. So we could say that we were in the loins of Adam when he sinned. And whatever we may believe about that, we are all born dead in trespass and sin. We may not be accountable, but we sure suffer the consequences, like it or not.
Hebrews 7:10 "For when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the loin of his ancestor." In that sense, Adam is the ancestor of fallen humanity. So we could say that we were in the loins of Adam when he sinned. And whatever we may believe about that, we are all born dead in trespass and sin. We may not be accountable, but we sure suffer the consequences, like it or not.
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The Bible is very clear. No one is accountable for another person's sin(s). So no one is accountable for Adam's sin (disobedience). However, because all of mankind is descended from Adam and Eve, the whole human race is paying for THE CONSEQUENCES of Adam's disobedience. And that is what is stated in Romans 5:12: Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The human race has inherited the "sin nature" from Adam and as a result every human being is subject to physical death. And if a person does not obey the Gospel, then that person is also subject to "the second death" -- eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire. Now because God does not want a single human being in eternal Hell (created for the devil and his angels), He has given us the Gospel. But we must obey the Gospel in order to be saved and have eternal life. And the Church (all Christians) has a responsibility to present the Gospel to absolutely everyone -- "every creature".
The human race has inherited the "sin nature" from Adam and as a result every human being is subject to physical death. And if a person does not obey the Gospel, then that person is also subject to "the second death" -- eternal separation from God in the Lake of Fire. Now because God does not want a single human being in eternal Hell (created for the devil and his angels), He has given us the Gospel. But we must obey the Gospel in order to be saved and have eternal life. And the Church (all Christians) has a responsibility to present the Gospel to absolutely everyone -- "every creature".
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Accountability always goes up: if we are accountable to someone they have a portion of rule over us.
Jesus was accountable to the Father. So, He gave an account of all those God gave Him.
A group of brothers, hoping to be equals, can never be accountable to one another. There is no mechanism for correction nor is there a means to appeal.
In the Body, ff we are accountable for someone then we have been given a measure of rule over them. We, then, must give an account to God of their well-being. We also, because God demands it, must take great care in the quality of relationship we have with them. Ultimately, we will answer to God for how we represented Him in the relationships we have with one another.
As for you, my dear @oyster67, no. You are not accountable for Adam's sin. You have been buried with Christ. The old has gone. The new has come. You are no longer of Adam's lineage but of Christ's.
Jesus was accountable to the Father. So, He gave an account of all those God gave Him.
A group of brothers, hoping to be equals, can never be accountable to one another. There is no mechanism for correction nor is there a means to appeal.
In the Body, ff we are accountable for someone then we have been given a measure of rule over them. We, then, must give an account to God of their well-being. We also, because God demands it, must take great care in the quality of relationship we have with them. Ultimately, we will answer to God for how we represented Him in the relationships we have with one another.
As for you, my dear @oyster67, no. You are not accountable for Adam's sin. You have been buried with Christ. The old has gone. The new has come. You are no longer of Adam's lineage but of Christ's.
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