Acts 2:38 Comparison: Evangelical vs. Oneness / Baptismal-Regeneration View

[mailmandan]

Immersion into Christ/forgiveness of sins is something that is done to you by the Holy Spirit upon belief/repentance.

“and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24‬:‭47‬ ‭ESV‬‬
https://bible.com/bible/59/luk.24.47.ESV

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 3:19 - Repent therefore and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, so that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 5:31 - Him God has exalted to His right hand to be Prince and Savior, to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 10:43 - Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 11:17 - If therefore God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed on the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could withstand God?” 18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, “Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance unto life.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. *What happened to baptism?

Acts 16:30 - And he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” 31 So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.” *What happened to baptism?

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me. *What happened to baptism? *Hermeneutics.

*So, the only logical conclusion when properly harmonizing scripture with scripture is that faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 13:38-39; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) *Perfect Harmony*

 

[EddieM]

That's because eis means "into". It doesn't mean "because of". In other words, be baptized into receiving forgiveness of sins, not be baptized because of forgiveness of sins.

Remember that unbelievers' sins have also been forgiven, just as the believers' sins have been forgiven. Nobody will answer for their sins in the final judgment. The issue at the final judgment is not sins, but how one responds to God's offer of salvation. For the unbelievers' sins were paid in full for them. There is no such thing as God has potentially paid for the sins of the world. This truth is the Cross is all about God's love for mankind, and he wants all unbelievers to be saved.

 

[GWH]

Not understanding what your point is. My point was that people submit to being baptized. It's not a work they do; they merely submit to it being done to them.

Colossians 2:11-14

 

[mailmandan]

And be baptized every one of you (κα βαπτισθητω εκαστος υμων). Rather, "And let each one of you be baptized." Change of number from plural to singular and of person from second to third. This change marks a break in the thought here that the English translation does not preserve. The first thing to do is make a radical and complete change of heart and life. Then let each one be baptized after this change has taken place, and the act of baptism be performed "in the name of Jesus Christ" (εν τω ονοματ Ιησου Χριστου). In accordance with the command of Jesus in Matthew 28:19.

One will decide the use here according as he believes that baptism is essential to the remission of sins or not. My view is decidedly against the idea that Peter, Paul, or any one in the New Testament taught baptism as essential to the remission of sins or the means of securing such remission. So I understand Peter to be urging baptism on each of them who had already turned (repented) and for it to be done in the name of Jesus Christ on the basis of the forgiveness of sins which they had already received.

Acts 2 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org https://share.google/nETi40vQPs6jT3pWI

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Luke 24:47 - and that repentance for the forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. *What happened to baptism?

The word "for" is a mistranslation of the word kai, which means "and" - repentance and the forgiveness of sins

 

[mailmandan]

The word "for" is a mistranslation of the word kai, which means "and" - repentance and the forgiveness of sins

I quoted that translation from the post that I tagged. Multiple translations say "for" and multiple translations say "and." Regardless, look at what's missing in that verse - "baptism" which is the main point I was making.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

I quoted that translation from the post that I tagged.

Oh I see that now

 

[JBTN]

The scripture does not say repentance FOR forgiveness of sins, but rather repentance AND remission of sin. Peter states both repentance and baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin is required of everyone.

"And that repentance AND remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47 KJV

Many of the oldest manuscripts have eis in them. The oldest we have is P75. P75 has eis in it. So, it would be incorrect to say that scripture does not say repentance for forgiveness of sins.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Many of the oldest manuscripts have eis in them. The oldest we have is P75. P75 has eis in it. So, it would be incorrect to say that scripture does not say repentance for forgiveness of sins.

Which would align with what Peter said in Acts 2:38

 

[JBTN]

Which would align with what Peter said in Acts 2:38

It would say repentance for/into forgiveness of sins. Not Baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

It would say repentance for/into forgiveness of sins. Not Baptism for the forgiveness of sins.

My intent was to show the consistency of eis being used in both verses. Baptism into forgiveness and repentance into forgiveness are the same thing described differently, as is commonly done with language. Repentance > baptism > forgiveness is the same thing as repentance > forgiveness. Only scriptural pedants make a mutually exclusive distinction between the two.

 

[JBTN]

My intent was to show the consistency of eis being used in both verses. Baptism into forgiveness and repentance into forgiveness are the same thing described differently, as is commonly done with language. Repentance > baptism > forgiveness is the same thing as repentance > forgiveness. Only scriptural pedants make a mutually exclusive distinction between the two.

My view is that our immersion into Christ/forgiveness of sins happens automatically upon a change of mind or belief/repentance. Upon repentance we are immersed into Christ which results in forgiveness of sins.

To paraphrase my view on Acts 2:38: repent and be immersed into/for forgiveness of sins
Where be immersed is something done to you by the Holy Spirit, as opposed to something you do.

Viewing eis as into/for works in either verse as long as you understand that the immersion mentioned is into Christ/ forgiveness of sins and not water.

When Romans 6, Galatians 3, and Colossians 2 say baptized into Christ they mean what they say. Immersed into Christ. Not immersed into water into Christ.

 

[NightTwister]

No, iT's coPypaSta like U always doo.

Pot meet kettle.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

My view is that our immersion into Christ/forgiveness of sins happens automatically upon a change of mind or belief/repentance. Upon repentance we are immersed into Christ which results in forgiveness of sins.

To paraphrase my view on Acts 2:38: repent and be immersed into/for forgiveness of sins
Where be immersed is something done to you by the Holy Spirit, as opposed to something you do.

Viewing eis as into/for works in either verse as long as you understand that the immersion mentioned is into Christ/ forgiveness of sins and not water.

When Romans 6, Galatians 3, and Colossians 2 say baptized into Christ they mean what they say. Immersed into Christ. Not immersed into water into Christ.

I used to believe this way, but upon closer examination I dont think scripture supports it. At some point in history men made the decision that baptism is no longer required, contrary to what is explicitly stated in scripture. Just because baptism is not mentioned every time the way to salvation is mentioned, that doesn't mean it wasn't an essential part of the process. That's just the nature of the way humans use language.

Saying "Immersed into Christ. Not immersed into water, [but] into Christ" is like saying when 8-day old Israelite boys were immersed into painful circumcision they were "immersed into Israel. Not immersed into circumcision, but into Israel". Circumcision was the immersion that joined them to Israel, without which they would have been cut off from Israel and the promises.

Likewise, water baptism does appear to be an act of submission to God, who performs the spiritual circumcision that joins believers to the people of God.

 

[LightBearer316]

I used to believe this way, but upon closer examination I dont think scripture supports it. At some point in history men made the decision that baptism is no longer required, contrary to what is explicitly stated in scripture. Just because baptism is not mentioned every time the way to salvation is mentioned, that doesn't mean it wasn't an essential part of the process. That's just the nature of the way humans use language.

Saying "Immersed into Christ. Not immersed into water, [but] into Christ" is like saying when 8-day old Israelite boys were immersed into painful circumcision they were "immersed into Israel. Not immersed into circumcision, but into Israel". Circumcision was the immersion that joined them to Israel, without which they would have been cut off from Israel and the promises.

Likewise, water baptism does appear to be an act of submission to God, who performs the spiritual circumcision that joins believers to the people of God.

Brother, with respect, Scripture nowhere teaches that the act of water baptism itself is what joins us to Christ or makes us part of His body. That’s an addition men made, not a truth the apostles preached.

The Bible is consistent that faith — not ritual — is what unites us to Christ:

“For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” — Galatians 3:26 (KJV)​

The very next verse says we are “baptized into Christ” — but Paul is speaking spiritually, not physically. He’s describing the inward work of the Holy Spirit, not the outward act of water immersion. Compare it with:

“For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body.” — 1 Corinthians 12:13 (KJV)​

That’s the true baptism — the Spirit placing us into Christ the moment we believe.
Water baptism follows that as obedience and testimony, but it’s not the means of salvation.

Circumcision was a sign of the covenant with Abraham, not the source of righteousness (Romans 4:10–11 KJV). Likewise, baptism is a sign of the new covenant we already have through faith in Christ’s blood.

“Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.” — Titus 3:5 (KJV)​

Grace and peace — always in His Word.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Brother, with respect, Scripture nowhere teaches that the act of water baptism itself is what joins us to Christ or makes us part of His body. That’s an addition men made, not a truth the apostles preached.

It's definitely there, explicitly stated, but your Calvinista brainwashing blinds you to the truth. The addition made by protestant reformers through pedanticism was that baptism is no longer required, despite there being no historical or scriptural precedent to make such a claim.

 

[LightBearer316]

It's definitely there, explicitly stated, but your Calvinista brainwashing blinds you to the truth. The addition made by protestant reformers through pedanticism was that baptism is no longer required, despite there being no historical or scriptural precedent to make such a claim.

Brother, name-calling doesn’t strengthen an argument — Scripture does. Let’s stay with the Word.

You said baptism is explicitly stated to save, but even where baptism and salvation appear together, the text itself always clarifies what truly saves — faith in Christ’s finished work, not the water.

Peter himself explains this:

“Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ.” — 1 Peter 3:21 (KJV)​

Paul draws the same line:

“Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.” — 1 Corinthians 1:17 (KJV)​

If baptism were required for salvation, Paul’s words would be impossible under the Spirit’s inspiration.
The apostles baptized because it’s commanded — but they preached salvation by grace through faith, not ritual.
That’s not Calvinism; that’s simply Scripture interpreted in context.

Grace and peace — always anchored in His Word.

 

[John146]

That's just the nature of the way humans use language.

Humans didn't write the bible, but the Holy Spirit through men. Time and time again, when Paul speaks about the gospel of Jesus Christ, water baptism is not mentioned at all. Rightly divide the word of truth. Israel was commanded to be baptized in preparation for their promised Messiah. It was part of their repentance. Don't get Israel confused with the body of Christ.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

Humans didn't write the bible, but the Holy Spirit through men. Time and time again, when Paul speaks about the gospel of Jesus Christ, water baptism is not mentioned at all. Rightly divide the word of truth. Israel was commanded to be baptized in preparation for their promised Messiah. It was part of their repentance. Don't get Israel confused with the body of Christ.

Of course they wrote the bible. What a bizarre thing to say.

 

[John146]

Of course they wrote the bible. What a bizarre thing to say.

Just because baptism is not mentioned every time the way to salvation is mentioned, that doesn't mean it wasn't an essential part of the process. That's just the nature of the way humans use language.