about Suicide

[BillG]

Matthew 7:1-6

Do Not Judge
(Luke 6:37–42)
1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.
2 For with what judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with the measure you use, it will be measured back to you.
3 And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye?
4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye?
5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
6 “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.

 

[BillG]

@JimmyTheLock
That's how we should live... being sensitive to the Holy Spirit... who will actually warn us before we sin if we are in tune with Him, so we don't do the sin!

I agree.
It's taking time.
I'm growing in Christ, learning to be more sensitive to the Holy Spirit's promptings & warnings.
I've only trusted Christ for a few years, so I've a lot of maturing to do.
I still make mistakes and sin. I'm developing self-control, a fruit of the Spirit.
Conviction brings me to confess & I'm forgiven. I'm in Christ, I won't be condemned.
No way do I have freedom to live in sin. Nothing could be further from the truth.
There's no such thing as instant maturity.

Anni

We are all growing in Christ.
It's called sanctification, growing in Jesus.
It's the Holy Spirit that's works in us to conform us to the image of Jesus to be like him.
We will get it wrong and fail at times.
Jesus loves us just the same.
We confess when we do sin, to confess is to "agree" that we got it wrong.

Amen you are in Christ and Christ is in you.

 

[stilllearning]

Is there a country in Europe called Arminia by chance?

Not a chance, it is located in Asia, to the east of Turkey. It is also mentioned in the bible. The ark settled upon the mounts of Ararat. Ararat or Urartu is what the country was called in antiquity, now a days it is known as Armenia.

 

[FRB72]

That would've been quite difficult as Calvin was long dead before Arminus was capable of debate.

Nobody said it would be easy!!!

 

[Anni]

Nobody said it would be easy!!!

Stop it you lot or I'll get a stitch rotfl-ing

 

[JimmyTheLock]

I would like to publicly recant and repent about calling you a fool... while the dictionary description of "fool" fits you to a "t", I should not have called you that.

I should have said you are ignorant of life, and mental illnesses, and there is no milk of human kindness in you. Your pious insistence on damning believers to hell is indicative of your hateful, prideful spirit. I believe "idiot" is a better descriptive term for your claims and behavior.

Relax... what you think is meaningless to me. I didn't give it a second thought.

You should go look up where Jesus said calling people a fool puts them in danger of hell fire... but I know you OSAS peoples believe you can live in sin and it's all good so... never mind.

 

[FRB72]

Stop it you lot or I'll get a stitch rotfl-ing

About 30 years ago I listened to this on cassette (showing my age!)

Roger Price presents an intelligent and biblical position that is neither classically Calvinist or Arminian.

It also (eventually) addresses the topic of the OP.

God bless

First, the question…

Verses in favour

And finally, verses apparently against & conclusions

*admittedly a lot of content but quicker than many a long thread I have read!!!!

 

[Anni]

@FRB72
Thanks for those.
I've saved them on watch later for tomorrow, Lord's Day.

 

[FRB72]

@FRB72
Thanks for those.
I've saved them on watch later for tomorrow, Lord's Day.

Still three of the best teachings I have listened to!

 

[Lafftur]

Those that murder themselves are NOT walking in faith... so, no faith means no grace!

As Eph 2:8 clearly states.... we are saved by grace THRU faith, so no faith mean one has no further access to grace.




I did not write any of the scripture that was posted... so you'll have to argue with the Lord about why He considers murder to be a sin.




So it's all good if we get tired of this life and blow our brains out?

The Lord suddenly ignores His own Word and becomes a liar???

Anyone who has a broken heart and does not submit to the Lord and get fixed, has made a very grave error as this is rejecting the Lord.




That's God's business... meanwhile it's false doctrine to go around telling people that a Christian can murder themselves and still go to Heaven.

As a matter of doctrine, those that murder themselves do not inherit God's Kingdom based on what the Lord has already said in His Word.

If we tell people that one can kill themselves and go be with Jesus... then let's pass the pistol around at church so everyone can whack themselves and go on home to be with the Lord!

Suici9de is either a blessing from the Lord or a deception from the devil to separate people from God... which is it?





Yeah, claiming one can murder themselves and still go to Heaven is definitely being a cherry picker and rejecting scripture that does not fit in to one's preconceived ideas.




Fictional stories are meaningless against God's Word.




It' listening to the devil is what it is... in my younger years 'ol slwefoot tried very hard to get me to off myself after I had become a Christian.

The fix was found in doing what Jesus said....

Mark 16:17
these signs shall follow them that believe; In MY Name shall they cast out devils

It comes down to who are we going to listen to and follow? Jesus or satan?






I know all about it.... you should go back and study how God cannot lie!




Any sin where one does not confess and turn away from... it still applicable to the person doing the sin.

1 John 1:9 clearly says IF you confess your sins the Lord will cleans you of all unrighteousness.

If one does not, then they are not cleansed from unrighteousness and if they die in that condition it's... curtains.




Yews, and God has already spoken concerning this subject.

It's sad that some seem to think the Lord is a liar and will ignore His own Word and can be mocked by claiming we do not reap what we sow (Gal 6:"7,8).





You must believe in universalism then... anybody that is deceived by the devil in to turning away from the Lord is saved?

The problem here is some are allowing their emotions and feelings to tell them what to believe rather than what the Lord has already said in His Word.

In other words, let's throw what God said in the trash just because we don't "feel" like His Word is in fact Truth that does not change!

That's exactly how the devil is hoping people will do right there... as this causes God's Word to be choked out of their lives so they turn away from the Lord which is sowing to the flesh which is reaping corruption... which is unrighteousness

Gal 6:7,8 tells us it is mocking God to claim we do not reap what we sow... as God cannot be mocked.

Hell/Hades is a place of torment…but, not the END. It will be the Lake of Fire/Gehenna that destroys the soul.

This life is NOT over until the great white throne of judgement that happens after the 1,000 year reign of Christ on the Earth.

Those in Hell/Hades still have a chance to call on the Name of Jesus Christ and be saved. ONLY Jesus Christ has the keys of Hell/Hades. He is the ONLY ONE that can save a soul from Hell/Hades.

Even if someone commits suicide and ends up in Hell/Hades, Jesus Christ can still SAVE them.

 

[Blain]

This is code for.... God sometimes does not mean what He says... we just cannot rely upon the Truthfulness of God's Word!




You claim is the Holy Spirit was not there for them... and they had no access to God's Word???





I went to Mars one time... had tea with the Martians! View attachment 256914




Sorry... what you say is OUT, and what the Lord says is IN!

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

People such as yourself that speak favorably of suicide... are very likely to go whack themselves.

Anytime folks reject what the Lord says... you know they are listening to the devil!
If they were listening to the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... they would be accepting what the Lord says!

This is not rocket science... it's simply either being led by the Holy Spirit or being led by demons.




So you're good with popular preachers telling the living they should they decide to whack themselves they will go to Heaven... which is encouraging more suicide?

By not countering the lies of the false preachers who claim suicide leads to Heaven.... we have blood on our hands!




According to Jesus... this person will not be forgiven...meaning, they will not go to Heaven

Matthew 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus said this because of Gal 6:7,8 so do we think Jesus is telling the truth, or not???

God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap.... if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption - - - if we sow UN-forgiveness, we shall reap UN-forgiveness.

To say otherwise is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7,8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

What the person should have done is forgive the driver... that's what Jesus did on the Cross and He is the model we are to follow.



Actually we are told by the Lord to judge a righteous judgement (John 7:24) and we do that by taking God at His Word understanding that it's impossible for Him to lie

Tell me do you really understand the cost? do you know the soul shattering mourning? do you know the heart bleeding for the unsaved who end up in hell? you have no clue the heart peircing the soul mounrning the actusal horror and cost you speak of things so casually but think of every cell of your being and imagine every kind of horror every kind of agonny every kind of twisted version of pain and horror you have seen in even horror movies and that is made a thousand fold in hell.
You call yourself a Christian but what do you knoq of the cost the horror that resides for those you do not reach? You only care about what you consider to be truth all the while many are on a stair case walking like zombies to the depths of hell and every horror that could ever exist



don't call yourself a Christian if you cannot understand this much what makes you a Christian if you only care about what you think is truth? since when was truth ever about what we understand?

If one who has seen the cost seen the suffering that exceeeds imagination is not enough for you then you are fake.

What anyone who has truly seen the cost says is not enouhgh for you then you are not a Christian if you cannot go beyond what you percieve as truth what you believe your own theology is then you fail. You rely on your own percepection your own truth your own understanding but news flash the truth does not abide by you there are many things that you cannot percieve because you see with your eyes your own perception

Anyone who has actually seen and experienced what the cost is is changed their hearts mourn deeply you can say whatever you want you can mock and make fu of but those of use who know the cost who mourn for the sinners know the truth you do not.

 

[Blain]

I lost a friend to suicide last year. I think people get mixed up on this because of their theology of salvation. The idea is (I believe) that if you die with one unconfessed and unrepented sin on your account, that you would be lost. As suicide is self-murder, that would then fall to your account. But not so fast….

What of the genuine, born again Christian caught in a car accident where they died in a car accident due to another car whose driver had been high on drugs. The Christian in their last moments feels anger and hate towards the man in the weaving truck and dies with a swear word on their tongue, calling the person a fool in the strongest terms.

God sees our whole lives, even our worst sins. We perceive our lives in a linear fashion but that’s not how God appears to operate. We are told not to judge for a reason.

If I as a human bieng being imperfect can say that his mercy and understanding of eadh

I lost a friend to suicide last year. I think people get mixed up on this because of their theology of salvation. The idea is (I believe) that if you die with one unconfessed and unrepented sin on your account, that you would be lost. As suicide is self-murder, that would then fall to your account. But not so fast….

What of the genuine, born again Christian caught in a car accident where they died in a car accident due to another car whose driver had been high on drugs. The Christian in their last moments feels anger and hate towards the man in the weaving truck and dies with a swear word on their tongue, calling the person a fool in the strongest terms.

God sees our whole lives, even our worst sins. We perceive our lives in a linear fashion but that’s not how God appears to operate. We are told not to judge for a reason.

If I as an imperfect sinfull unworthy person can say that his mercy and understand far exceeds our struggles or what brought us to suicide then imagine the depth of his love understanding and compassion is.

suicide is only tauth by the catholics I go by the Lord who even though i have cursed and blasphemied in my anger still never left me how much can suicide have any say? People seem to take such matters as a thing of sin unforviving yet if I went so far to blas[hemene and curse him yet he never left me what can suicide do? he looks at the heart I more than deserve to be struck down by him I am not afraid to admit my sins killing yourselyourself compared to cursing cussing and blaspheming God which do you think is more deserving of hell?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Those in Hell/Hades still have a chance to call on the Name of Jesus Christ

Sadly, you have no scripture for purgatory.... once one leaves their body they either go north or south and their fate is sealed at that point.

Jesus never taught purgatory and He never taught purgatory thru His Apostles he used to pen the New Testament.... purgatory is nothing more that a catholic fantasy among numerous fale teachings that come from the catholics.

Tell me do you really understand the cost? do you know the soul shattering mourning? do you know the heart bleeding for the unsaved who end up in hell?

Actually I do... which is why I'd like folks to be informed on what God's Word says so they have opportunity to NOT end up in hell.

Love demands that people be told the Truth... what God says in His Word is Truth.

These that don't care about others or have been deceived themselves in to rejecting the Truth of God's Word... are part of the problem.

I'm simply telling people "whatever you do, do NOT commit suicide because if you do you will go to hell!" so they have opportunity to know what actually happens to them if they decide to blow their brains out.

The devil is the one going around teaching people thatthey go to Heaven if they whack themselves cause it's all part of his efforts to get as many people in to hell as he possibly can. That's his deal.

 

[notmyown]

Still three of the best teachings I have listened to!

thank you for posting them.

 

[Lanolin]

for an obvious reason. Why send anyone to the quack for primitive medicine when he all Jesus had to do was say it and have instant results?

He did send the lepers he healed to the priests/doctors to confirm that they were cured and it was a miracle.
Dr Luke or St Luke was Mary's physician. You still need to see doctors and physicians for checkups to confirm your health anyway, doctors just diagnose what is wrong and try and figure out what to do if theres something wrong, they arent necessarily in the business of curing people (otherwise they would have no business if everyone stayed healthy and pain free! )

The body has a remarkable capacity to heal if we eat good food, rest and pray.

its just Satan who comes to steal. kill and destroy. Thing is humans can be weak and we are a bit accident prone, and often we do stupid things that harm our bodies. We are the only creatures that actually need clothes for example! Cos our skin needs covering, all Gods creation and creatures are already clothed in fur and feathers...or scales.

 

[Lanolin]

Sadly, you have no scripture for purgatory.... once one leaves their body they either go north or south and their fate is sealed at that point.

Jesus never taught purgatory and He never taught purgatory thru His Apostles he used to pen the New Testament.... purgatory is nothing more that a catholic fantasy among numerous fale teachings that come from the catholics.





Actually I do... which is why I'd like folks to be informed on what God's Word says so they have opportunity to NOT end up in hell.

Love demands that people be told the Truth... what God says in His Word is Truth.

These that don't care about others or have been deceived themselves in to rejecting the Truth of God's Word... are part of the problem.

I'm simply telling people "whatever you do, do NOT commit suicide because if you do you will go to hell!" so they have opportunity to know what actually happens to them if they decide to blow their brains out.

The devil is the one going around teaching people thatthey go to Heaven if they whack themselves cause it's all part of his efforts to get as many people in to hell as he possibly can. That's his deal.

I think regarding suicide, its not often done by 'blowing brains out' although thats probably the messiest ways to go and not good for anyone finding your dead body and having to clean up the mess.

However suicidal people often dont think how it hurts their loved ones to find their dead body, though many may believe that they are better off, not that they are seeking heaven but they just dont want to be a burden to anyone. Often the elderly have this mindset, which is why euthanasia is now the common way to go, or 'assisted suicide' . Its done by lethal injection, never 'blowing brains out' and the poisons just puts people 'to sleep" as the term is, although am not sure if poisoned bodies are any better than ones that have brains blown out. Its less messy though.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

None the less... God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap (Gal 6:7,8)

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God DESTROY; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The devil is making a big push now to make suicide seem to be OK and to normalize it with euthanasia becoming legal in numerous states and in other nations such as in Canada.

This does NOT change what the Lord has said in His Word...

One has to do what Adam and Eve did in the garden to believe suicide is OK... which is to ignore what the Lord says and listen to the devil instead.
And just like the Lord foretold in His Word... deception is the greatest danger in the end times (Matt 24)

 

[Sipsey]

None the less... God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap (Gal 6:7,8)

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God DESTROY; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The devil is making a big push now to make suicide seem to be OK and to normalize it with euthanasia becoming legal in numerous states and in other nations such as in Canada.

This does NOT change what the Lord has said in His Word...

One has to do what Adam and Eve did in the garden to believe suicide is OK... which is to ignore what the Lord says and listen to the devil instead.
And just like the Lord foretold in His Word... deception is the greatest danger in the end times (Matt 24) View attachment 257013

So, did Samson not kill himself, along with many of his enemies? Did not God Himself enable Samson to do so?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

So, did Samson not kill himself, along with many of his enemies? Did not God Himself enable Samson to do so?

Samson died fighting an enemy of Israel and is listed in the Faith Hall of Fame in the Book of Hebrews.... so the Lord obviously did not count his actions as committing suicide.

Reckon 1 Corinthians 3:16,17 is a lie that some how got sneaked in to God's Word when Jesus wasn't looking?

Why wouldn't we simply accept what God says in His Word?

 

[Blain]

Sadly, you have no scripture for purgatory.... once one leaves their body they either go north or south and their fate is sealed at that point.

Jesus never taught purgatory and He never taught purgatory thru His Apostles he used to pen the New Testament.... purgatory is nothing more that a catholic fantasy among numerous fale teachings that come from the catholics.





Actually I do... which is why I'd like folks to be informed on what God's Word says so they have opportunity to NOT end up in hell.

Love demands that people be told the Truth... what God says in His Word is Truth.

These that don't care about others or have been deceived themselves in to rejecting the Truth of God's Word... are part of the problem.

I'm simply telling people "whatever you do, do NOT commit suicide because if you do you will go to hell!" so they have opportunity to know what actually happens to them if they decide to blow their brains out.

The devil is the one going around teaching people thatthey go to Heaven if they whack themselves cause it's all part of his efforts to get as many people in to hell as he possibly can. That's his deal.

Have you actually gone into the spiritual realm before? as far as I can see scripture is based only on what we percieve to be truth we tae our own views our own understanding our own theology and doctrine this only causes confusion didvision arguments this isn't good enough for me I don't care what I percieve or understand my stance my doctrine is meaningless the truth is for those who are a clean slate who disregard what they believe and think and that is why I was taken to hell I experienced the real thing how just one person in fiery agony tried to reach for me and had they reached me my skin and body would have been burned and seered beyond recognition. my skin would have boiled and created a foul smeeling sense.

You speak of scripture but refuse to aknlowlegde the testimony of those who have seen and experienced the real cost the torture and agony that word cannot express.
Why do you think I am so willing to speak of things knowing I will be rejected attacked and not accpeted?
I am willing to take all this because I know the actual cost my soul was mournng so much all could do was shriek in pain for them.
Don't speak about scripture when you cannot even understand it to begin with if you had then what I have said would mpqacted you but your blind to the written word and that is all it is to you written word ink and paper you study it sure but we wrestle not against flesh the warfare we are supposed to see and understand affects us when you becime a threat to the enmy you will be constantly attacked in many ways but your resolve why you chose to fight whay you chose to be a believer will be the deciding factor

You have no concept of hell you only read about it