about Suicide

[Adelia]

He also told the disciples to work so they continued in their crafts. Jesus did not tell Luke to pick a new trade. Be well Time for the rest of my evening now. Blessings

 

[JimmyTheLock]

when He made King Nebukadnezzar to eat grass like the wild beasts for 7 years is when

That wasn't during Jesus' earthly ministry when He came in the flesh...

In the New Testament, the Lord and the Apostles don't instruct believers to use the wisdom of man to try and get well from any aliment. They always teach we should trust the Lord and believe His promises!

Any reason why the promises wouldn't work???

Divine Health, Physical and Mental Well-being

Proverbs 4:20-23 (see John 8:51, Proverbs 5:1,2, James 1:22… Most Christians don’t do this – BIG MISTAKE!)
Attend to My words; incline your ear unto My sayings....let them not depart from your eyes; keep them in the midst of your heart....for they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh....keep your heart with all diligence; for out of it flow the forces of life.

Psalms 91:9,10 (see Luke 10:19, 1 John 2:6, James 4:7)
Because you have made the LORD, which is My refuge, even the most High, your habitation;
There shall no evil fall upon you, neither shall any plague come near your household.

(only applicable to those that have submitted their lives to the Lord, walking in the Spirit by allowing God's Word to remain IN them… have I made the Lord my habitation? Am I living IN CHRIST by allowing Him to live in Me?)

1 Peter 2:24
Jesus carried our sins in his own body on the cross, so that we, being dead to sin, should live unto righteousness: by Whose stripes you were healed.

Matthew 8:17
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Isaiah 53:4, 5
Jesus has carried our grief (pain, anxiety, calamity, disease, sickness), and carried our sorrows (anguish, affliction, feelings of pain, sadness and sorrow): yet we did esteem Him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted....but He was wounded (to wound, to break, be slain or killed) for our transgressions, He was bruised (crush, destroy, oppress, to collapse) for our iniquities: the punishment (violence, rebuke) of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. (He took our wounds, so we could take his wholeness & health in every area of life)

James 5:14,15
Is any sick among you? (there shouldn’t be) let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. (Unfortunately, it’s near impossible now to find elders that follow God’s Word that know how to pray the prayer of faith… so one MUST learn how to pray / receive directly from the Lord for themselves!... God never mentions calling a physician but instead says "the prayer of faith shall save the sick")

Exodus 15:26
If you will diligently listen to the voice of the LORD your God, and will do that which is right in His sight, and will give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will not put (allow) any diseases upon you, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that heals you. (Walk in the Spirit – See Romans 8)

Exodus 23:24-26
You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do their works: but you shall utterly overthrow them, and destroy their images (cast down imaginations and every high thing, see 2 Corinthians 10:5)
And you shall serve Adonai your God, and He shall bless your food and drink; and I will take sickness away from the midst of you.
There shall nothing cast their young, nor be barren, in thy land: and you will live out the full span of your lives.

James 4:3
You ask, and receive not, because you ask wrongly, that you may use for your own fleshly desires.
*Some ask for healing with no intention of walking with the Lord (being led by His Word) and ask for themselves for their own selfish motives not being in agreement with the Lord’s purpose for their lives which is to live their lives separated unto Him (Holy) departing from the desires of this world being in agreement with Him.

James 1:5-7
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that gives to all men liberally, in spite of their faults; and it shall be given him.

But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavers is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed… For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

Romans 8:11
But IF the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you (allowed to live in us), He that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead shall also quicken (energize, make alive) your mortal body by His Spirit that lives in you. (see 2 Corinthians 3:17 – where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty, freedom.. this includes healing!)

 

[JimmyTheLock]

Jesus did not tell Luke to pick a new trade.

There's no record of Jesus ever making an appoinment with Dr Luke or sending anyone to Dr Luke either.

 

[Blain]

As so many others these days, false teacher David Jeremiah teaches you can kill yourself and end up in heaven (Dr. Jeremiah Audio Clip).

I've had the funerals of a number of people who have taken their own lives, and quite often family members will come and say, "Is there any forgiveness if someone takes their own life." And I need to report that that sin is neither accorded any greater or lesser value in the economy of God than the other sins which are chronicled in the word of God. And it is possible, I believe, for a person who has gone through some terrible stress in their life and in a moment of not thinking clearly has ended their life that person very easily might find his place in heaven; especially because he could have given his heart to Christ in this life; and even to take one's life does not undue what God does in the inward act of salvation. (Saul's Suicide, tape TTW13)

This speaks directly against Matthew 24:13; John 15:1-6; Romans 11:22; 1 Corinthians 15:2; Colossians 1:23; Hebrews 3:6, 14; 12:25; and 1 John 5:4. Committing suicide is not enduring to the end (Matthew 24:13). It is not abiding in Christ (John 15:1-6). It is not continuing in His goodness (Romans 11:22). It is not holding fast the word (1 Corinthians 15:2).

It is definitely being moved away from the hope of the gospel (Colossians 1:23). It is not holding fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end (Hebrews 3:6). It is not holding the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end (Hebrews 3:14). It is refusing and turning away from Him who speaks from heaven (Hebrews 12:25). And, it is not overcoming the world (1 John 5:4), but rather being overcome by the world and the devil (1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:18).

This kind of teaching on suicide opens wide the door of death and Hades (Luke 16:19-31; Revelation 20:11-15) to those in despair.

Some might argue, "What about Samson? He committed suicide." Samson's "suicide" was actually an act of war, as he killed three thousand Philistines in his vengeance upon them (Judges 16:28-30). He died in his effort to kill others, as he said, "Let me die with the Philistines!" (Judges 16:30). It was not, as a typical suicide of our day, because of a lack of hope, or a deranged mind. He died with the Philistines to "take vengeance on the Philistines" for his two eyes (Judges 16:28). Plus, this was the only choice he had, to kill them as he did.

Typical suicidal people today are those who have no hope, and they are thus not in Christ (Ephesians 2:12; 1 Peter 1:3; 3:15), or they have been moved away from the hope of the gospel and are thus lost (Colossians 1:21-23). Those with deranged minds, or who "might have a mental breakdown," are those who do not have a sound mind and are therefore not in Christ (Isaiah 26:3; 2 Timothy 1:7). These people will end up in hell if they die in such a state. Such people are not saved.

Those that self murder (commit suicide) are in violation of these biblical truths:

Matthew 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

*Those that self murder failed to abide In Christ until
the end of their lives, therefore they will not be saved

John 15:1-6
I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Romans 11:22
Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

1 Corinthians 15:2
By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Colossians 1:23
If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven

Hebrews 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 12:25
See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

1 John 5:4
For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

eXcept he is a personal and understanding God he knows and sees and hears the hearts of those in such desperation you cannot assume to know what the scriptures say without first knowing his person. Those who have done suicide are are accounted to to the act but to what brought them to that place to begin with such despair such hopelessness no one to be thjere to helop or catch them and you think he sends them to hell for that that goes against his persona;lity aslo the idea that those who commit suicide go to hell is a catholic doctrine not Christian show me where in the word he mercy and grace as endless as it say they would go hell.

I have been to hell I saw and experienced the intense heat to the point your shirt sticks to your skind nowhere did I find anyone who was there from such a thing they were all absulutely evil in every way say for one person who to this day I syill pray to God that he can if only one heart is willintg come to his arms.

You talk about such things so casually you use the the acriptures for what you do not understand.

He is loce grace peace and fdorgiveness you really think it is in his nature to so casually send one in such despair to the real of utter and gorish torment? I have seen the lake of fire and it isn't for the bnroken the unseen unheard or those who ttok their lives because they had no one to help them or understand them his grace his love his understanding far exceeds any of that If I have to I will stand in their steed for them iy is not enough to just hypothisize the things we don't truly understand many claim to have to seen hell but the mourning the soul crushing pain of seeing the end results compells you many claim to have seen hell but speak of it without that soul crushing mourning the knife that cuts the coul deeper than you can imagine.

Don't you dare speak of things you have no real knowldege of you have no idea the cost the utter despair and agony how you weep for these souls
You have scripture you can pick and choose I have seen the real thing the ral cost and it activated me you all teach and speak of things using scripture with things you have no understanding of. The severity of thre situayion why we have to give up our ways is more costely than you can begin to understand even in horror movies man is able to make the most twisted vrual and absolutelky horrifying things demonic and worse and that is just the human mind imagine the real thing how you can so casually speak of such thing us beyond me the lake of fire the torture the shrieking of agony that never leaves your soul don't speak of such things with scripture when you have no clue what awaits

 

[CS1]

Actually.... under their false religion.... family members can pay the RCC a bunch of money and get their loved one out of hell even if they killed themselves.

It's all about the benjamins at the RCC and if you have enough benjamins to fork over they can work a deal for you View attachment 256888




Should we let all the cows get out... and then go shut the gate too???

The whole point of this is to let people know BEFORE they whack themselves that if they do this they will go to hell according to God's Word.

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

If we claim they go to Heaven anyway, they encourages others to go ahead and whack themselves too!




So we should tell them Lord that His Word is meaningless??? View attachment 256889

Are we men pleasers? Or, should we please the Lord?

In other words... should we be tickling people's ears and tell them what they want to hear?
Or, should we tell them what God says in His Word?





You've never read in the Gospels how Jesus healed these people by casting the devils out?

No, I never said the word is meaningless; only a buffoon would think that.

Jesus said let the dead Bury the dead. When death comes, we honor the life and leave that dead person in the hand of the Lord BUT tell the living of their need of Christ. You don't even know me to make such foolish comments.

 

[FRB72]

eXcept he is a personal and understanding God he knows and sees and hears the hearts of those in such desperation you cannot assume to know what the scriptures say without first knowing his person. Those who have done suicide are are accounted to to the act but to what brought them to that place to begin with such despair such hopelessness no one to be thjere to helop or catch them and you think he sends them to hell for that that goes against his persona;lity aslo the idea that those who commit suicide go to hell is a catholic doctrine not Christian show me where in the word he mercy and grace as endless as it say they would go hell.

I have been to hell I saw and experienced the intense heat to the point your shirt sticks to your skind nowhere did I find anyone who was there from such a thing they were all absulutely evil in every way say for one person who to this day I syill pray to God that he can if only one heart is willintg come to his arms.

You talk about such things so casually you use the the acriptures for what you do not understand.

He is loce grace peace and fdorgiveness you really think it is in his nature to so casually send one in such despair to the real of utter and gorish torment? I have seen the lake of fire and it isn't for the bnroken the unseen unheard or those who ttok their lives because they had no one to help them or understand them his grace his love his understanding far exceeds any of that If I have to I will stand in their steed for them iy is not enough to just hypothisize the things we don't truly understand many claim to have to seen hell but the mourning the soul crushing pain of seeing the end results compells you many claim to have seen hell but speak of it without that soul crushing mourning the knife that cuts the coul deeper than you can imagine.

Don't you dare speak of things you have no real knowldege of you have no idea the cost the utter despair and agony how you weep for these souls
You have scripture you can pick and choose I have seen the real thing the ral cost and it activated me you all teach and speak of things using scripture with things you have no understanding of. The severity of thre situayion why we have to give up our ways is more costely than you can begin to understand even in horror movies man is able to make the most twisted vrual and absolutelky horrifying things demonic and worse and that is just the human mind imagine the real thing how you can so casually speak of such thing us beyond me the lake of fire the torture the shrieking of agony that never leaves your soul don't speak of such things with scripture when you have no clue what awaits

I lost a friend to suicide last year. I think people get mixed up on this because of their theology of salvation. The idea is (I believe) that if you die with one unconfessed and unrepented sin on your account, that you would be lost. As suicide is self-murder, that would then fall to your account. But not so fast….

What of the genuine, born again Christian caught in a car accident where they died in a car accident due to another car whose driver had been high on drugs. The Christian in their last moments feels anger and hate towards the man in the weaving truck and dies with a swear word on their tongue, calling the person a fool in the strongest terms.

God sees our whole lives, even our worst sins. We perceive our lives in a linear fashion but that’s not how God appears to operate. We are told not to judge for a reason.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Your flilppant attitude towards God's promises of deliverance are disturbing and very telling.... represents someone who is suffering from Cherry Picker's Syndrome (CPS) who does not actually accept the whole counsel of God.

In biblical times, "mentally unbalanced people" were those that had devils... Jesus and His Apostles cast them out... they did NOT treat demons with drugs and coddle them!

do you know why this Earth, we live in, must be purged with Fire so it renews like a New Earth?

years of Compounded Sin after Sin, blood of the Innocent, Sin after Sins times 14 Billion people from Adam until now.

when a Mother can take an Aspirin, whose Manufacturer, knew the [[RISKS]] but still claimed Pregnant Women can take this. and now, we have wide spread Generation of basically people with high or low focus rates. from Asperger to adhd, to Autism, PSYCHOLOGICAL DISORDERS, were [[CREATED]] by mad Science fueled by money and the mathematics to genetics Formulas became DEATH SENTENCES to a Normal Healthy Mind, NOW, Destroyed!

that is indeed the Act of Satan, but done by man, claiming to be HELPING to Preserve LIFE.


but make no bones about it. for every 30 true cases of Pill (Chemical Reactions) discovered, there's some that's well beyond anything Medical has to offer. They are definitely living as Oppose'rs of God in a Possessed Realm.

 

[Anni]

@JimmyTheLock
You hate Reformed theology, that makes me a heretic.
Do you hate me?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

you cannot assume to know what the scriptures say without first knowing his person.

This is code for.... God sometimes does not mean what He says... we just cannot rely upon the Truthfulness of God's Word!

what brought them to that place to begin with such despair such hopelessness no one to be thjere to helop or catch them

You claim is the Holy Spirit was not there for them... and they had no access to God's Word???

I have been to hell

I went to Mars one time... had tea with the Martians!

Don't you dare speak of things you have no real knowldege of

Sorry... what you say is OUT, and what the Lord says is IN!

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

People such as yourself that speak favorably of suicide... are very likely to go whack themselves.

Anytime folks reject what the Lord says... you know they are listening to the devil!
If they were listening to the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... they would be accepting what the Lord says!

This is not rocket science... it's simply either being led by the Holy Spirit or being led by demons.

BUT tell the living of their need of Christ.

So you're good with popular preachers telling the living they should they decide to whack themselves they will go to Heaven... which is encouraging more suicide?

By not countering the lies of the false preachers who claim suicide leads to Heaven.... we have blood on our hands!

The Christian in their last moments feels anger and hate towards the man in the weaving truck and dies with a swear word on their tongue

According to Jesus... this person will not be forgiven...meaning, they will not go to Heaven

Matthew 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus said this because of Gal 6:7,8 so do we think Jesus is telling the truth, or not???

God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap.... if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption - - - if we sow UN-forgiveness, we shall reap UN-forgiveness.

To say otherwise is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7,8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

What the person should have done is forgive the driver... that's what Jesus did on the Cross and He is the model we are to follow.

We are told not to judge for a reason.

Actually we are told by the Lord to judge a righteous judgement (John 7:24) and we do that by taking God at His Word understanding that it's impossible for Him to lie

 

[JimmyTheLock]

@JimmyTheLock
You hate Reformed theology, that makes me a heretic.
Do you hate me?

No, I don't "hate" anybody.

If you hear me rail against false doctrine such as reformed theology and you disagree.... then just move on and don't read what I have to say about your favorite theology.

 

[Anni]

If you hear me rail against false doctrine such as reformed theology and you disagree.... then just move on and don't read what I have to say about your favorite theology.[/QUOTE]

It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing with you.

 

[CS1]

JimmyTheLock

[qoute
"So you're good with popular preachers telling the living they should they decide to whack themselves they will go to Heaven... which is encouraging more suicide?
By not countering the lies of the false preachers who claim suicide leads to Heaven.... we have blood on our hands!"]




Never said that and taking my comments out of context. I can't take you seriously. So I am done with this Buffoonery.

Bye bye,

 

[JimmyTheLock]

It's a discussion forum. I'm discussing with you.

Not much point in discussing whether reformed theology is false doctrine or not... it IS

Bye bye,

See ya

 

[FRB72]

This is code for.... God sometimes does not mean what He says... we just cannot rely upon the Truthfulness of God's Word!




You claim is the Holy Spirit was not there for them... and they had no access to God's Word???





I went to Mars one time... had tea with the Martians! View attachment 256914




Sorry... what you say is OUT, and what the Lord says is IN!

1 Corinthians 3:16,17
Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
If any man destroys the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

People such as yourself that speak favorably of suicide... are very likely to go whack themselves.

Anytime folks reject what the Lord says... you know they are listening to the devil!
If they were listening to the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ... they would be accepting what the Lord says!

This is not rocket science... it's simply either being led by the Holy Spirit or being led by demons.




So you're good with popular preachers telling the living they should they decide to whack themselves they will go to Heaven... which is encouraging more suicide?

By not countering the lies of the false preachers who claim suicide leads to Heaven.... we have blood on our hands!




According to Jesus... this person will not be forgiven...meaning, they will not go to Heaven

Matthew 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Jesus said this because of Gal 6:7,8 so do we think Jesus is telling the truth, or not???

God is not mocked, what we sow is what we reap.... if we sow to the flesh we shall reap corruption - - - if we sow UN-forgiveness, we shall reap UN-forgiveness.

To say otherwise is mocking God according to Gal 6:7,8

Galatians 6:7,8
Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.
For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

What the person should have done is forgive the driver... that's what Jesus did on the Cross and He is the model we are to follow.



Actually we are told by the Lord to judge a righteous judgement (John 7:24) and we do that by taking God at His Word understanding that it's impossible for Him to lie

OK…

Am I right I’m assuming you are a firm believer in Arminian theology?

 

[JimmyTheLock]

I'm a firm believer in what God says in His Word...

I go see what they Lord says about it and I go with that.

I would never go to a bible school or cemetery as that's how people get indoctrinated with false doctrine and become infected with Cherry Picker's Syndrome

I was thinking of going to bible college as a young believer but did not have the opportunity and looking back I can see how the Lord graciously blocked me from doing that (others in my church at the timer said I was called to ministry and needed to go to bible college)

 

[FRB72]

I'm a firm believer in what God says in His Word...

I go see what they Lord says about it and I go with that.

I would never go to a bible school or cemetery as that's how people get indoctrinated with false doctrine and become infected with Cherry Picker's Syndrome

I was thinking of going to bible college as a young believer but did not have the opportunity and looking back I can see how the Lord graciously blocked me from doing that (others in my church at the timer said I was called to ministry and needed to go to bible college)

I haven’t been either but I am aware of the strengths and weaknesses of both Calvinism and Arminianism. As an example, would you say the following verse supported one position more than the other…

Philippians 2

12Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[JimmyTheLock]

would you say the following verse supported one position more than the other

I don't know much about them arminians other than hearing calvinist get upset cause arminians say man had free will and calvinists think man doesn't.

I have not heard anybody post something arminians teach that is not scriptural so because of that I never had a lot of reason to goo see what they say.

The only reason I trash talk the calvinist heretics is because they are leading people astray with their false doctrine.

I know lots of calvinists really hate the arminians so the arminians must be fine people!

Is there a country in Europe called Arminia by chance?

 

[Dino246]

Is there a country in Europe called Arminia by chance?

No. The Republic of Armenia.

 

[Adstar]

So you are one of those the believes it's OK to live in sin... you believe wrong!

This is the stock standard attack Works salvation pushers use to try to undermine those who believe in grace..

I have had it thrown at me so many times that i am surprised when works salvation pushers don't throw it..

Believing and trusting in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus does not mean someone believes that sin is ok..

This allegation is one of the most disgusting tactics used against those who trust in the Atonement of the LORD Jesus.. But it was being used a long long time ago..

(Romans 3:8) "And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just."

 

[timemeddler]

There's no record of Jesus ever making an appoinment with Dr Luke or sending anyone to Dr Luke either.

for an obvious reason. Why send anyone to the quack for primitive medicine when he all Jesus had to do was say it and have instant results?