A question about giving

[persistent]

Did Abraham and Job go out and give to the poor and the needy from their wealth ----it doesn't say that they did but they were certainly Blessed by God regardless -----

Very helpful comment but I am almost sure that Job himself mentions how he was a benefactor to many but that is, as you stated not to the point here. I cannot say exactly where Job mentions how he was a benefactor, in addition to providing employment for many it seems, but I am almost certain of this.

 

[persistent]

You keep good track of this stuff. I can't recall the name but this may jar your memory about some trackers of these so called upright charities. I think it is listed along with possibly some disclaimers at the bottom of certain ministries on the web. I think the charitable organizations are also tracked. Maybe Salvation Army's web site would have the name as they may be more legit?

 

[ZNP]

You keep good track of this stuff. I can't recall the name but this may jar your memory about some trackers of these so called upright charities. I think it is listed along with possibly some disclaimers at the bottom of certain ministries on the web. I think the charitable organizations are also tracked. Maybe Salvation Army's web site would have the name as they may be more legit?

I gave money to the American Red Cross and then later learned they are a big scam for FreeMasons.

Now I don't like to give to any large well funded organizations. They all remind me of Judas.

BLM is a good example of these scams. Anyone with a professional marketing campaign is someone I automatically cross off my list.

Also I never understand why they need CEO's making 6 figure salaries. 100% of a donation to the Gideon's pays for bibles, there is no processing fee, no administrative costs, no transportation costs, etc. Also, they have contracts to print the Bibles at the lowest possible price. Why aren't all charities run like that?

 

[studentoftheword]

Before we throw out words for others like Fraud and Idolatry ---we should really look at our own selves and make sure that we are always Legit in what we -----say --do ---and preach ----being a Hypocrite is a very easy thing to accomplish ----

Jesus said ---no one is good --not even one ----so if we think we are above being fraudulent and having idols in our lives we only deceive ourselves ----we are the pot calling the kettle back ----and we become Hypocrites ---

 

[Dirtman]

Before we throw out words for others like Fraud and Idolatry ---we should really look at our own selves and make sure that we are always Legit in what we -----say --do ---and preach ----being a Hypocrite is a very easy thing to accomplish ----

Jesus said ---no one is good --not even one ----so if we think we are above being fraudulent and having idols in our lives we only deceive ourselves ----we are the pot calling the kettle back ----and we become Hypocrites ---

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So now you suppose that as christians we should not call evil out as evil.
So ya read on Paul was wrong when he instructed Timothy to with draw from such men.

useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.
I Timothy 6:5 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1ti.6.5.NKJV

And

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.
I Timothy 6:9‭-‬11 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1ti.6.9-11.NKJV

 

[studentoftheword]

So now you suppose that as christians we should not call evil out as evil.

If you read your scripture you Quoted in 1 Tim 6:5 ---it says withdraw yourself -------it says nothing about calling someone out -----or judging anyone ------or calling out any evil

here is your scripture ---

New King James Version
useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

This is the Greek word for withdraw ---

Lexicon--------anachóreó: to go back, withdraw

Definition: I return, retire, withdraw, depart (underlying idea perhaps of taking refuge from danger or of going into retirement). universally, so as to leave ---give place, go (turn) aside, withdraw self.


I say ------Jesus when He was refused to enter a place to preach His Good New -----never --ever called out the people -there was no spoken judgment placed upon them ====

He simply Shook the dust off His feet and carried on ------and said on Judgment day they will be worse off
Matthew 10:14-15

 

[CS1]

You see some mega church pastors with mansions, jets, limos......will GOD reward people for giving to a pastor who is clearly corrupt? I wonder if people give money to them, thinking GOD is blessing the pastor and maybe GOD will bless them too for giving money to a corrupt pastor?

I can only be responsible for what I give and the person I gave to is responsible for how they use it.

when sacrifices were given the bible tells us that the priest misused them many times YET each year the people still gave to those who abused the offerings. God will take care of those who abuse HIS offering and that is what the book of Malachi says

 

[ResidentAlien]

It is truly amazing that there are still so many people who are afraid to use their own common sense and look at what's going on right in front oh their noses. There's obviously been some serious gaslighting going on.

 

[ZNP]

The same people preaching about reducing our carbon footprint and sea levels rising are flying in private jets and buying up beach front property.

It is the same racket with Balaam and Judas.

 

[Dirtman]

If you read your scripture you Quoted in 1 Tim 6:5 ---it says withdraw yourself -------it says nothing about calling someone out -----or judging anyone ------or calling out any evil

here is your scripture ---

New King James Version
useless wranglings of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself.

This is the Greek word for withdraw ---

Lexicon--------anachóreó: to go back, withdraw

Definition: I return, retire, withdraw, depart (underlying idea perhaps of taking refuge from danger or of going into retirement). universally, so as to leave ---give place, go (turn) aside, withdraw self.


I say ------Jesus when He was refused to enter a place to preach His Good New -----never --ever called out the people -there was no spoken judgment placed upon them ====

He simply Shook the dust off His feet and carried on ------and said on Judgment day they will be worse off
Matthew 10:14-15

My point is Paul called this out to Timothy warning him to withdraw himself.

 

[ResidentAlien]

" . . . for Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed for Thessalonica—Crescens for Galatia, Titus for Dalmatia." 2 Timothy 4:10

"This you know, that all those in Asia have turned away from me, among whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes." 2 Timothy 1:15

" . . . having faith and a good conscience, which some having rejected, concerning the faith have suffered shipwreck, of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme." 1 Timothy 1:19-20

"And their message will spread like cancer. Hymenaeus and Philetus are of this sort, who have strayed concerning the truth . . . " 2 Timothy 2:17-18

"Alexander the coppersmith did me much harm. May the Lord repay him according to his works." 2 Timothy 4:14

 

[Snacks]

You spend a lot of time enviously focusing on other people rather than focusing on your shortfalls ~~ and God’s grace.

 

[JohnB]

I can only be responsible for what I give and the person I gave to is responsible for how they use it.

when sacrifices were given the bible tells us that the priest misused them many times YET each year the people still gave to those who abused the offerings. God will take care of those who abuse HIS offering and that is what the book of Malachi says

They only had one place to make their offering, they didn't have much of a choice. You have choices today. Put the money where it will do the most good. It's called sowing and reaping.

 

[Magenta]

But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. But you, O man of God, flee these things and pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, gentleness.
I Timothy 6:9‭-‬11 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/1ti.6.9-11.NKJV

1 Timothy 6:8-10

 

[oyster67]

will GOD reward people for giving to a pastor who is clearly corrupt?

Usually, it is not clear to the dear souls that have been duped. If they gave out of pure heart and motive, then yes, I believe they will have a reward in Heaven.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them." Romans 16:17

How can they be avoided if they aren't noted? And how can they be noted if not called out by name?

 

[ZNP]

If you are charitable you are rich.

 

[CS1]

They only had one place to make their offering, they didn't have much of a choice. You have choices today. Put the money where it will do the most good. It's called sowing and reaping.

That is true but is it our choice, or are we to listen to what we believe God said to give to?

Many ministries preach the gospel correctly and have plans to evangelize, and outreach, yet abuse the money given to them.

If I give to a ministry based on

1. prayer and asking God
2. the fruits of the work are seen
3. they preach the word of God

But I have no knowledge of the abuse they do with the money. Am I wrong for giving to them? NO!.

Once I learn of their sin, I do not give, but what I have given I leave in God's hand and Know HE will hold them accountable.

 

[JohnB]

A better idea of giving, "
then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose.
And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after: for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth; and thou shalt eat there before the Lord thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thine household.

Deuteronomy 14:25-27

If they ask you if you tithe, say "Yes, I took my family out to a very nice restaurant. Had a great beef and lamb dinner. We praised the LORD for it. Quote them the verse. According to the LORD's command, I had a strong drink. Praise the LORD.