A Possible few Reasons Science might be interested in the Genesis Chapter One account

[AandW]

The one example I do find that can be similar to a Scientific explanation from the Bible itself would be when God told

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?



(2) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Is this telling us earth understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the earth full of cattle, reptiles, mammals and sort?



(3) But it changes up here:

and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

God directly tells the open firmament to bring forth fowl.



Before, in the first 2 examples, God tells the land and water to bring forth and then we read on and see what was brought forth. But in the 3rd example, God is identifying what creation He wants to come forth before Commanding, "Do!"



But the purpose I find most informative, is "both" the earth and water knew what to bring forth.

I believe this Verse explains that a bit more.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:



So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.



And then God uses earth full of these (seeds), to create man, by forming man from the earth itself.





Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science, should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

 

[Subhumanoidal]

The one example I do find that can be similar to a Scientific explanation from the Bible itself would be when God told

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?



(2) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Is this telling us earth understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the earth full of cattle, reptiles, mammals and sort?



(3) But it changes up here:

and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

God directly tells the open firmament to bring forth fowl.



Before, in the first 2 examples, God tells the land and water to bring forth and then we read on and see what was brought forth. But in the 3rd example, God is identifying what creation He wants to come forth before Commanding, "Do!"



But the purpose I find most informative, is "both" the earth and water knew what to bring forth.

I believe this Verse explains that a bit more.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:



So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.



And then God uses earth full of these (seeds), to create man, by forming man from the earth itself.





Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science, should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

Can't say I agree with the idea that the earth and water "made" anything.
Adam was made out of the dust, but the earth did not create Adam. The same way it makes more sense to read "bring forth" in the same manner, rather than believe the earth and water are sentient and capable of creation.

 

[AandW]

Can't say I agree with the idea that the earth and water "made" anything.
Adam was made out of the dust, but the earth did not create Adam. The same way it makes more sense to read "bring forth" in the same manner, rather than believe the earth and water are sentient and capable of creation.

Thank You, but I actually was not making that point of view you just explained and I would definitely agree with you. But what I am saying, God said to the [Water] Bring Forth. It reads then that [Water] obeyed and brought forth a multitude of Life.

Another point, dust comes from the Earth itself. a good rain and dust become top soil. A few more cycles and your ground becomes healthy. It literally can renew itself. It's all connected. But I can understand how you could see that was what I meant.

 

[Dino246]

Thank You, but I actually was not making that point of view you just explained and I would definitely agree with you. But what I am saying, God said to the [Water] Bring Forth. It reads then that [Water] obeyed and brought forth a multitude of Life.

Another point, dust comes from the Earth itself. a good rain and dust become top soil. A few more cycles and your ground becomes healthy. It literally can renew itself. It's all connected. But I can understand how you could see that was what I meant.

Not without the microbes that God created, it can't.

 

[AandW]

Not without the microbes that God created, it can't.

Amen!

 

[ewq1938]

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?

No.

 

[SomeDisciple]

The Lord said that if his disciple didn't praise him, the stones would cry out, and that he could raise up children of Abraham out of stones. Meanwhile Paul talks about how the entire creation groans for the day of it's redemption. I can't say for sure whether the earth has sentience in any way, but it seems creation obeys him, whether there is sentience or not. I think most people would just write it off as "poetry", though.

 

[Gideon300]

The one example I do find that can be similar to a Scientific explanation from the Bible itself would be when God told

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?



(2) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Is this telling us earth understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the earth full of cattle, reptiles, mammals and sort?



(3) But it changes up here:

and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

God directly tells the open firmament to bring forth fowl.



Before, in the first 2 examples, God tells the land and water to bring forth and then we read on and see what was brought forth. But in the 3rd example, God is identifying what creation He wants to come forth before Commanding, "Do!"



But the purpose I find most informative, is "both" the earth and water knew what to bring forth.

I believe this Verse explains that a bit more.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:



So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.



And then God uses earth full of these (seeds), to create man, by forming man from the earth itself.





Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science, should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

There are many Creation Scientists - many more than worldly science would like. I take Genesis at face value. God said, "let there be....." and there was. The same command is used for all of the creation apart from Adam and Eve.

There is no logical reason to doubt Genesis. You won't get any agreement from the world. They are hell bent (literally) on finding fault with God's ways.

 

[AandW]

There are many Creation Scientists - many more than worldly science would like. I take Genesis at face value. God said, "let there be....." and there was. The same command is used for all of the creation apart from Adam and Eve.

There is no logical reason to doubt Genesis. You won't get any agreement from the world. They are hell bent (literally) on finding fault with God's ways.

I am taking it at face value that God said [Bring Forth] the waters did not ask for specifics and just brought forth life in many forms.

There is a Reason to examine that Scripture, to understand, that when God created water that was covering the Earth, it clearly was full of what God would Command for it to create When Ordered to. What did those seeds look like that became life? And that can lead into many more questions so we can try and understand the complete view of this picture between God, water, and life being created from water.

 

[AandW]

The Lord said that if his disciple didn't praise him, the stones would cry out, and that he could raise up children of Abraham out of stones. Meanwhile Paul talks about how the entire creation groans for the day of it's redemption. I can't say for sure whether the earth has sentience in any way, but it seems creation obeys him, whether there is sentience or not. I think most people would just write it off as "poetry", though.

God gave the Words to these Verses directly to Moses. It's just a process to look at a Verse and see could that mean this. But only related to God's Purpose, not to promote Science even though we are breaking these Verses down like a scientific experiment.

 

[17Bees]

Thank You, but I actually was not making that point of view you just explained and I would definitely agree with you. But what I am saying, God said to the [Water] Bring Forth. It reads then that [Water] obeyed and brought forth a multitude of Life.

Another point, dust comes from the Earth itself. a good rain and dust become top soil. A few more cycles and your ground becomes healthy. It literally can renew itself. It's all connected. But I can understand how you could see that was what I meant.

One thing that kind of helps me 'understand' the concept of the earth's age and things like having microbes in water and dust and such 'in place' and Adam created from parts of the earth is the Gap Theory (which I think is the Gap Fact). It's the concept that there's a gap between Genesis 1:1-2 and 3 When it's read in a literal sense, it says that at a time in history, God created the heavens and the earth and gives a very brief explanation of its state. Then the days of creation began at that point. In other words, the earth's and heaven's state was formless and void and in darkness and then "Light" was created to begin the 7 days of creation. Of course, we don't now how the earth and heavens and water were in such disarray, only that they were created by God and God hovered over the waters. So, in my mind it kind of begs the possibility of God's "presence" and "power" in water and in the dirt of the earth.

Gap Theory has been out there a long time and much has been said about it, but i think from a science perspective that it might help many understand and believe in the possibility of an intellectual presence. Also, another thing that helped me understand was the difference in Genesis 1 was the difference in what God " created and what God "made". Created is something from nothing and made is taking something that exists and making something with it. That helps me understand a few things in the first chapter.

 

[Dino246]

Not without the microbes that God created, it can't.

Further to this comment...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

One thing that kind of helps me 'understand' the concept of the earth's age and things like having microbes in water and dust and such 'in place' and Adam created from parts of the earth is the Gap Theory (which I think is the Gap Fact). It's the concept that there's a gap between Genesis 1:1-2 and 3 When it's read in a literal sense, it says that at a time in history, God created the heavens and the earth and gives a very brief explanation of its state. Then the days of creation began at that point. In other words, the earth's and heaven's state was formless and void and in darkness and then "Light" was created to begin the 7 days of creation. Of course, we don't now how the earth and heavens and water were in such disarray, only that they were created by God and God hovered over the waters. So, in my mind it kind of begs the possibility of God's "presence" and "power" in water and in the dirt of the earth.

Gap Theory has been out there a long time and much has been said about it, but i think from a science perspective that it might help many understand and believe in the possibility of an intellectual presence. Also, another thing that helped me understand was the difference in Genesis 1 was the difference in what God " created and what God "made". Created is something from nothing and made is taking something that exists and making something with it. That helps me understand a few things in the first chapter.

the big issue with the GAP theory (and I promoted it for decades) is that you have death before sin.

I now see Gen 1 as the main statement (God created the heavens and the earth)

Gen 2 and beyond is an in detail telling of How God did what he stated in verse 1.

God created the earth and the heavens for his creation (man) hence he created it in an aged state. When man was created, the heavens and the earth were working as designed so that man could use them to do what God created them to do.

 

[Rondonmon]

The one example I do find that can be similar to a Scientific explanation from the Bible itself would be when God told

(1) And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life,

Is this telling us the water understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the waters with (creation) apropiate to aquatic lifestyle?



(2) And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.

Is this telling us earth understood God and then read God's mind and intent and filled the earth full of cattle, reptiles, mammals and sort?



(3) But it changes up here:

and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

God directly tells the open firmament to bring forth fowl.



Before, in the first 2 examples, God tells the land and water to bring forth and then we read on and see what was brought forth. But in the 3rd example, God is identifying what creation He wants to come forth before Commanding, "Do!"



But the purpose I find most informative, is "both" the earth and water knew what to bring forth.

I believe this Verse explains that a bit more.

11And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.



To begin with, there are no verses telling us what the "Specific Command" from God spoke forth the Order to, Go and make earth into a sphere that is void, under water, and whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:



So the earth, when we see the Spirit of God come upon the face of the deep (water), is already full of seed of all sorts of life forms. These range from flowers, trees, grasses, bushes, weeds. And we see earth is capable of bringing forth mammals, reptiles, rodents, multitude of insects.



And then God uses earth full of these (seeds), to create man, by forming man from the earth itself.





Those few examples are loaded with reasons why anyone including Science, should want to study God's Creation from the earth and water point of views.

You are taking an OVERVIEW of God's outlook on His creation and overthinking it. looking at the first day (9.2 billion years) we can get the gist of this overall point.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning(of this Universe) God created the heaven and the earth(this is a SIMPLE OVERVIEW now we go back).

2 And the earth was without form, and void(The earth had been created in God's will, but had not come into being yet); and darkness was upon the face of the deep(The WMAP map shows us there were 400 million years of Darkness after the Big Bang, God is ALWAYS CORRECT). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters(There is no light without it being REFLECTED, it's only a beam, thus the Water is what God used to give us light, thus our Atmosphere was crate to TRAP the waters in it and to reflect light).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light(So, only after God speaks about the waters do the lights show up). 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A lot of people look at the Fourth Day and say, hey look, God created the earth on the fourth day, no, it was n day two. God create THE SEASONS on the fourth day. The Moon and the Earth were about the same size, they crashed into each other, the Earth gained the mass and they then got a Satellite Moon that makes our weather patterns what they are today, and controls our wobble. Thus we have Seasons and Days on a normal basis. Else our weather would be so violent life would't be possible on earth.

 

[17Bees]

the big issue with the GAP theory (and I promoted it for decades) is that you have death before sin.

I now see Gen 1 as the main statement (God created the heavens and the earth)

Gen 2 and beyond is an in detail telling of How God did what he stated in verse 1.

God created the earth and the heavens for his creation (man) hence he created it in an aged state. When man was created, the heavens and the earth were working as designed so that man could use them to do what God created them to do.

Death before sin is certainly true. Adam and Even were threatened with death before they sinned and they were afraid of it, so death was clearly a concept. It's just that none of us have much information about the heavens and earth in 1:2 so you can't really say it was created in an aged state. Nobody knows.

Thing is, I'm not here to defend gap theory, but rather to suggest that it's a concept, I guess, that science or those inclined to understand science would have a better understanding of. It's not that I couldn't believe God thought all our universe into existence, because I can knowing His infinite power. But to help those without my particular faith, this theory of a gap of time from the true beginning to a time when God created this earth as it has become now fits scientifically and helps with our mission of bringing others to faith in Him. It helped me.

 

[AandW]

One thing that kind of helps me 'understand' the concept of the earth's age and things like having microbes in water and dust and such 'in place' and Adam created from parts of the earth is the Gap Theory (which I think is the Gap Fact). It's the concept that there's a gap between Genesis 1:1-2 and 3 When it's read in a literal sense, it says that at a time in history, God created the heavens and the earth and gives a very brief explanation of its state. Then the days of creation began at that point. In other words, the earth's and heaven's state was formless and void and in darkness and then "Light" was created to begin the 7 days of creation. Of course, we don't now how the earth and heavens and water were in such disarray, only that they were created by God and God hovered over the waters. So, in my mind it kind of begs the possibility of God's "presence" and "power" in water and in the dirt of the earth.

Gap Theory has been out there a long time and much has been said about it, but i think from a science perspective that it might help many understand and believe in the possibility of an intellectual presence. Also, another thing that helped me understand was the difference in Genesis 1 was the difference in what God " created and what God "made". Created is something from nothing and made is taking something that exists and making something with it. That helps me understand a few things in the first chapter.

Many connect Jeremiah 4 to a viewpoint of people living and creation like trees, birds, even [civilization] that is a longer than norm process to form. They claim this fallen world was the Fall of Satan(Lucifer). And ironically that world ends in the [same] condition we find in Genesis 1:2

The Gap theory likes to place the water covering the Earth at the point in time of the Ice Age, when a theoretical natural world included dinosaur, this creation of man prior to Adam, Lucifer roaming the Earth as Mediator to God, the now Role Christ fills. And if you take Christ's Words witnessing Satan falling like streaking light, and if God's aim was to slam him into Earth, it would initiate such a chaotic state that a natural environment already existing would come to a very abrupt end changing all climate patterns and putting a real hold on to any progression moving forward.

And if you went that route, it does hysterically, relate to how when God told Water and Earth to bring Forth life, it already had that from the existing Earth.

But that is an interesting concept. I learned of that because some interpreted that as a possibility for the many things that was left unanswered from the Torah itself pertaining to the Creation of Adam, that just happens to lead by Lineage to David and finally to Christ.

 

[ewq1938]

the big issue with the GAP theory (and I promoted it for decades) is that you have death before sin.

Which isn't an issue since death was possible before sin because God made all life forms mortal. When sin came to be, the second death also was possible. That's the type of death that sin is associated with not the first death of a mortal life form.

 

[AandW]

You are taking an OVERVIEW of God's outlook on His creation and overthinking it. looking at the first day (9.2 billion years) we can get the gist of this overall point.

Gen. 1:1 In the beginning(of this Universe) God created the heaven and the earth(this is a SIMPLE OVERVIEW now we go back).

2 And the earth was without form, and void(The earth had been created in God's will, but had not come into being yet); and darkness was upon the face of the deep(The WMAP map shows us there were 400 million years of Darkness after the Big Bang, God is ALWAYS CORRECT). And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters(There is no light without it being REFLECTED, it's only a beam, thus the Water is what God used to give us light, thus our Atmosphere was crate to TRAP the waters in it and to reflect light).

3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light(So, only after God speaks about the waters do the lights show up). 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A lot of people look at the Fourth Day and say, hey look, God created the earth on the fourth day, no, it was n day two. God create THE SEASONS on the fourth day. The Moon and the Earth were about the same size, they crashed into each other, the Earth gained the mass and they then got a Satellite Moon that makes our weather patterns what they are today, and controls our wobble. Thus we have Seasons and Days on a normal basis. Else our weather would be so violent life would't be possible on earth.

So you accept the Theory of the Big Bang and the Microwave Spectrum we view from, the Spark of Life to the Universe still expanding. And your View is Earth went through a process to get to the point is was Earth and Water sitting on top. And this amount of time you've calculated, from Blast to first period of light, Earth is sitting in this condition "for a purpose of God's Plan" and becoming a host to a number [we probably don't know to even exist] counts for the microorganism's and bacteria's.

From what ever God chose to do, from His initial Moment choosing to Create His Viewpoint of life [that includes a Vast Universe, Life on a Planet where God Himself would come and die to bring Salvation], when God did it, that was the Bang?

Interesting Idealism for sure.

 

[TheLearner]

There are many Creation Scientists - many more than worldly science would like. I take Genesis at face value. God said, "let there be....." and there was. The same command is used for all of the creation apart from Adam and Eve.

There is no logical reason to doubt Genesis. You won't get any agreement from the world. They are hell bent (literally) on finding fault with God's ways.

Do you read Hebrew?

 

[TheLearner]

God gave the Words to these Verses directly to Moses. It's just a process to look at a Verse and see could that mean this. But only related to God's Purpose, not to promote Science even though we are breaking these Verses down like a scientific experiment.

Prove that God dictated the words to Moses. I have been trying to convince others here that it was seven days of direct revelation.

Genesis 1:20 Then God said, “Let the water be filled with many living things,