A New Look At Prophecy And Creation

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TKICBS

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Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

This gives a picture of creation before any planet or star was created. Notice that there was water. This is very important if you want to understand the truth about creation. What I mean is there was water. There was a lot of water and it was very dark at the core. This must have been an unimaginable amount of water seeing as all creation was made from it.
We are told in 2Pe_3:5 "For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:"
How the water got there we are not told and I have yet to find a scripture that reveals this, but it was there and all of creation was made from it.
The next verse tells us how God began creation.

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

So light was introduced but it does not tell us much about it. We have to use our imagination and pray for wisdom to understand this. In the natural light is introduced by releasing energy in some way, like a light bulb. I believe God released energy into this vast ocean at the very core. The ocean would have had a spherical shape as gravity would have existed in the natural. So what would happen to the water in this situation?

The water began to boil. Bubbles were formed and gravity would have forced the bubbles to rise just as they do in a kettle when boiled on the stove. Thousands of bubbles of all shapes and sizes were released from the core and raced to the outer surface f this vast ocean. Each one of these bubbles was the beginning of the creation of a planet, a star, a moon etc, etc, etc...

So if this makes sense so far then how did God create the bodies in the bubbles? We will concentrate on the earth and understand that all bodies would go through the same type of process, though with different outcomes due to makeup etc.

The fact that there are so many minerals in the earth and in the oceans tells us that the water had these minerals in it before the light was released at day one. Now if you boil water on a stove and it has a lot of iron or other minerals in it then as the water boils the iron, for example, slowly builds up on the walls of the pot. The same goes for lime and other minerals. We used to have to chip the lime from our pots when I was young. But there was no pot in creation at day one so when the minerals were released they were trapped in a molten state, because of the energy that it took to release it, at the core of each bubble. We know this simply because the planets are here.

Now understand that there was an atmosphere of oxygen or hydrogen in each bubble because these are the 2 gasses that make up water, h2o. And in it's molten state the heat from the molten minerals rose up and evaporated even more water causing the bubbles to grow as even more gasses were released. The earth at this point was still like a star burning but eventually it cooled and formed a crust on the surface of the earth. I believe this was partly because it rained and flooded the surface because the next day there was water above the sky and beneath the sky. The water above was the ocean that the bubbles were created in and the waters below were the waters that covered the earth. Eventually the ocean above was soaked up by all of the planets and other bodies, especially the suns in the universe.

From this point on it is rather easy to follow the course of creation and what I am about to try and prove is that when all is said and done the earth and many other planets are hollow spheres rather than the solid spheres we have been taught. And if this is true some scriptures suddenly make perfect sense when before they were impossible to understand.

So we can see what cause and effects took place on the surface and the schools of thought are very close to truth on this, but what happened inside the earth is a little harder and requires some serious thought. In the beginning the earth would have had a solid rock surface with no fractures. Like the skin on a basket ball. It would have cooled from the outside in. First a this crust and then gradually as it cooled the crust became thicker and thicker. As it cooler the inside minerals separated by weight and formed layers. Gravity was in the crust so as the cooling took place the crust grew thicker. We know that as things cool the grow smaller so the natural effect inside would be a vacuum taking place and because the globe had a solid crust this vacuum would increase and increase until finally it became so strong that the crust imploded at its weakest points. Now we have no way to know how fast the earth would be spinning at this time but it would be spinning and therefore centrifugal force would have its effect. This means the earths crust would build up thicker at the equator so the weakest points would be the North and South Poles. So when the vacuum was strong enough it broke the crust and sucked the atmosphere from outside into the cavity inside. The gravity of the crust held the water close and as it flowed over the molten interior a new crust was formed inside trapping the molten flow between the crusts and giving us a hollow interior.

And that is why on the third day the dry land appeared outside. Until that time the outside was flooded.

When the water was sucked inside so violently it froze over the poles and plugged off the holes leading inside. This could have caused an ice age out here. The crust was broken up and drifted apart expanding the earth size to what we see today. Mountains and valleys and oceans were formed and continents as what is called the Pangaea effect took place.

The next major event in creation of the planet was a flood. One thing that needs to be understood is that the earth was only about a third of it present size before the flood, and there is a star at the core shining down inside giving life to the inside. There are rivers and lakes, birds and bees and people of a sort inside. These are spoken of in Joel 1 and 2 and in Rev 3 as locusts.. They have a king over them who once lived on the surface here, according to scripture., but went inside. This king will return to the surface according to Rev 9:1.

As the star at the core shone down inside on the water that now flooded the interior the water evaporated and created a pressure inside. The heat that this created melted the ice that plugged the holes at the poles and eventually the pressure inside was great enough that it burst through the ice caps flowing back out to the surface. Waters reached the top of mountains but soon subsided as a balance was reached where we see it today.

So as you can see, this is totally scriptural and explains the genesis account of creation and the flood and the king and locust of Revelation 9.

But the story is not finished. There is one more catastrophic event come.

But before I can explain this I must take you on a trip. Let us go to the outside of our solar system and look at it from there.

If you google an image for the solar system you will see this better. At the centre we have the sun. Then we see the planets orbiting the sun. We have Mercury, Venus, earth, Mars then an asteroid belt called The Asteroid Belt then Jupiter, Saturn. Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, Makemake, Kepler Belt and Iris. Then we have a few comets including Hallie's Comet. You can see it here: https://theplanets.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/the_planets-1024x533.jpg

How do you think the asteroid belts were created? We are told by the educated that they were an accumulation of dust that never became a planet. Do you believe that?

I offer you a more reasonable explanation. I believe they were planets that moved in the orbit where the asteroid belt is trapped and that they blew up at some point. Now there are just pieces of rock from the planet that once orbited where the asteroid belt now exists. Does that not make perfect sense.

Now how were the comets created? If the earth is hollow as I have explained and there is a star at the core is it not possible that the comets were created in the same way as our core star was created and when the planet blew up to create the asteroid belts it released the star at its core?

In a simple explanation, the planets were eggs and the comets were stars at the core of the planet and once the egg hatched the comets were released to dance before the sun.

So, if you are following me, would this not mean that the earth too is an egg?

Let me explain Satan to you in his purest form. We know that he is the destroyer. He came no but to kill, steal and destroy. In other words his whole being and purpose is to destroy. He is the god of this age. He is the spiritual ruler of this age. Why? Because his sole purpose in being is to destroy the planet and let the comet at the centre go free.

Continued...
 

TKICBS

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Lets see if there is any other evidence of this idea. We could count the asteroid belts and the comets and see if they match in number. I have never done that because frankly I have enough evidence to satisfy me. How would one destroy the planet in such a way as to leave nothing but a pile of rocks in it's orbit. Of course we are being bombarded with claims of global warming and pollution and Sun rays but, though they could destroy all life so we become like the moon, they would not cause the earth to explode. So how could it be done?

Please understand that in a hollow earth there are 2 crusts. One outside with we are and one inside where the king in Revelation 9 lives. The two crusts together are only about 500 miles thick on average. The crusts are all broken up and are held together by the balance between the gravity and the weight of the atmosphere. The pieces of rock are called plates and continents. These drift slightly as they slide on the lava that is trapped in the centre between the crusts. Understand that the earth spins on it's axis at about 1000 mile per hour and centrifugal force is constantly trying to throw the pieces off out into space but the weight of the atmosphere holds it in balance as a beautiful paradise.


Lets look at what is between the crusts. There is lava at the very centre between the crusts. There are massive deposits of oi and there are massive deposits of natural gas in the same arias. Then there are great deposits of crude oil. And if that is not enough, there are gas pipelines wrapped around the earth like a huge net. And don't let us forget the 400 plus nuclear power plants around the globe. So when, not if, we ave a great shifting of the crusts and the gas and oil is released into the lava the chain reaction will begin and the destroyer will have finished his job.



So now that you understand let me assure you that the destroyer will not succeed. And now the rest of the story.



Isaiah 13:9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isa 13:10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

Isa 13:11 And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogance of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible.



So this begs the question, "How would you move the earth out of it's place?"

Throughout scripture we are warned over and over of stars falling and fear taking the hearts of men. Men hiding in the caves and so on. We are told that "If not for God no flesh would survive"



Well now you know what that scripture was speaking to.



But look at this scripture:

Rev 5:1 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.



Now do you understand this scripture. If no one had been found worthy the book of Revelation would never have been written and god would not have intervened on our behalf and the earth would be destroyed. But thank God for the next few verses and the rest is history unfolding.



Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.



So what exactly will be done to save the earth from exploding?



Well it starts with a meteor shower at the sixth seal. Stars fall like figs falling from a fig tree blown in a mighty wind.



Then the seventh seal is open and reveals the 7 trumpets.



Rev 8:7 The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up.

Rev 8:8 And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;

Rev 8:9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.



Understand that this thing is big. It is so big that it will knock the earth out of it's present orbit. On it's way in it will burn up all green grass and 1/3 of the trees. In verse 8 we see it lands in the sea. This is important to understand because the sea will cushion the blow but still move the earth without destroying it completely. Then we see 1/3 of the creatures in the sea die and 1/3 of the ships destroyed. This proves to us that it is a real asteroid and not symbolic of something else.



Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

Rev 8:11 And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.



Now I can't be sure if there is only one asteroid or two or even three. I don't think that is important to understand this though it is important in Jesus testimony because it is what needs to be done. The next verse is very important to understand if you want a good understanding of what is happening.



Rev 8:12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.



So how do you smite 1/3 of the sun, moon and stars? The second part of this verse answers that question. The blow to the earth not only knocks the earth out of its orbit, as we saw in Isaiah 13, it knocks it spinning faster by 1/3 as well.Our days will be shortened by /3. Now we have a 24 hour day and night. Then we will have an 18 hour day and night.



Are you still with me?
 

TKICBS

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So what would happen in a hollow earth if it is knocked out of its place?



To put it bluntly, it would be transformed into a lake of fire. The star at the core that was naturally supposed to be released into space to dance before the sun would be dislodged from it's position and come crashing down inside. The light will be put out in the beasts kingdom forever and the natural path of the earth will be altered forever.



So imagine for a minute that you are the king inside the earth and suddenly without warning your world is destroyed. Fire has engulfed your kingdom and the smoke is unbearable. Would you not want to come out here to a world you know you can survive in? But how? There is no way out.



But scripture says the star has the key and opens the bottomless pit?



Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.



How does this work?



Remember in chapter verse 12? A third of the sun moon and stars are struck so the day shone not for 1/3 as well as the night?



So if you spin the earth aster what happens to the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans?



The earth now spins at approximately 1000 miles per hour. After the asteroid strikes it will spin at about 1300 miles an hour. Centrifugal force will pull the waters away from the poles exposing the holes that are there. The next verse reveals this.



Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.



And what caused the smoke? I think by now you understand...



Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.



So now you should understand that these locust are not literal locust but that is how they sweep across the earth in a swar. They are found in the first 2 chapters of books of Joel.



These locust have a king that rules over them. He is the one who ascends from the pit and goes into perdition mentioned in Revelation 17. He was (out here) he is not (out here) yet he is (alive inside the hollow earth) and will ascend from the pit and go into perdition. (along with the false prophet into the lake of fire alive)



I hope this has given you a better understanding of what God is doing and what the testimony of Jesus is all about. It is the salvation of the planet from destruction. It is settled forever in the heavens.
 
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Creation was made from nothing, meaning that by the power of God alone there was something from nothing. That is the implied starting point. In the natural world, everything is made out of elements. What determines an element is how many electrons it has.

If you take an atomic nucleus and add one electron to it you get hydrogen; if you take another atomic nucleus and add eight electrons to it you get oxygen. If you combine two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom to it you get water. In like manner, if you add 79 electrons to a nucleus you get gold, 80 is mercury.

By adding or removing electrons, combining elements, is how anything is made. I believe this is also how Jesus turns water into wine using his divine creator power. Though Jesus made this seem simple, really all he did was synthesize elements and compounds by adding or removing electrons.

Anything that is material is essentially made out of the same basic building blocks. If you rearrange the building blocks you get different things. This is chemistry in nutshell and it's truly amazing.
 

Dino246

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Creation was made from nothing, meaning that by the power of God alone there was something from nothing. That is the implied starting point. In the natural world, everything is made out of elements. What determines an element is how many electrons it has.

If you take an atomic nucleus and add one electron to it you get hydrogen; if you take another atomic nucleus and add eight electrons to it you get oxygen. If you combine two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom to it you get water. In like manner, if you add 79 electrons to a nucleus you get gold, 80 is mercury.

By adding or removing electrons, combining elements, is how anything is made. I believe this is also how Jesus turns water into wine using his divine creator power. Though Jesus made this seem simple, really all he did was synthesize elements and compounds by adding or removing electrons.

Anything that is material is essentially made out of the same basic building blocks. If you rearrange the building blocks you get different things. This is chemistry in nutshell and it's truly amazing.
What you have described here is protons, not electrons. :)
 

Dino246

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Protons and neutrons comprise the nucleus, while electrons orbit at some distance. The number of protons determines the element, and the number of neutrons determines the isotope. Hydrogen has one proton, helium has two, etc.
 

Melach

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anyone got a TL;DR version for sherlock melach?
 
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EleventhHour

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Protons and neutrons comprise the nucleus, while electrons orbit at some distance. The number of protons determines the element, and the number of neutrons determines the isotope. Hydrogen has one proton, helium has two, etc.
Yes, you are correct.. .. just testing! :D LOL.. the pandemic is getting to me I think.
 
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Protons and neutrons comprise the nucleus, while electrons orbit at some distance. The number of protons determines the element, and the number of neutrons determines the isotope. Hydrogen has one proton, helium has two, etc.
Some electrons do have to be added to make the atom stable, that is what was on my mind I think.
 
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Some electrons do have to be added to make the atom stable, that is what was on my mind I think.
Aren't the number of protons and electrons equal in an element? That's what I was trying to imply without getting too far in the weeds of talking about atoms. I excluded some information to be concise, but I see your point. Anyway, I think you understand what I am saying here in my original post if I understand correctly.
 
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What you have described here is protons, not electrons. :)
Well, I was just trying to be concise. Aren't the number of electrons and protons in an atom equal? I like the way my original post was worded. I don't think I can edit it anyway.
 
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Creation was made from nothing, meaning that by the power of God alone there was something from nothing. That is the implied starting point. In the natural world, everything is made out of elements. What determines an element is how many electrons it has.

If you take an atomic nucleus and add one electron to it you get hydrogen; if you take another atomic nucleus and add eight electrons to it you get oxygen. If you combine two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom to it you get water. In like manner, if you add 79 electrons to a nucleus you get gold, 80 is mercury.

By adding or removing electrons, combining elements, is how anything is made. I believe this is also how Jesus turns water into wine using his divine creator power. Though Jesus made this seem simple, really all he did was synthesize elements and compounds by adding or removing electrons.

Anything that is material is essentially made out of the same basic building blocks. If you rearrange the building blocks you get different things. This is chemistry in nutshell and it's truly amazing.
what is interesting also is Electrons belong to the first generation of the lepton particle family, and are generally thought to be elementary particles because they have no known components or substructure.
 
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what is interesting also is Electrons belong to the first generation of the lepton particle family, and are generally thought to be elementary particles because they have no known components or substructure.
Yes. Fundamentally all matter is merely condensed energy; God's energy or God's word. He spoke everything into existence. Just interesting to consider.
 

Dino246

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Aren't the number of protons and electrons equal in an element?
No; there is variance. Carbon has 12 protons, and stable carbon has 12 neutrons, while radioactive carbon has 14 neutrons.
 

TKICBS

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Creation was made from nothing, meaning that by the power of God alone there was something from nothing. That is the implied starting point. In the natural world, everything is made out of elements. What determines an element is how many electrons it has.

If you take an atomic nucleus and add one electron to it you get hydrogen; if you take another atomic nucleus and add eight electrons to it you get oxygen. If you combine two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom to it you get water. In like manner, if you add 79 electrons to a nucleus you get gold, 80 is mercury.

By adding or removing electrons, combining elements, is how anything is made. I believe this is also how Jesus turns water into wine using his divine creator power. Though Jesus made this seem simple, really all he did was synthesize elements and compounds by adding or removing electrons.

Anything that is material is essentially made out of the same basic building blocks. If you rearrange the building blocks you get different things. This is chemistry in nutshell and it's truly amazing.

If u believe in Jesus you must believe the bible. So if it tells us there was water first then that is where you have to start.
 
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If u believe in Jesus you must believe the bible. So if it tells us there was water first then that is where you have to start.
When I read the water statement it reminds of the elements of water in the beginning, 2-parts hydrogen and 1-part oxygen
 
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So what would happen in a hollow earth if it is knocked out of its place?



To put it bluntly, it would be transformed into a lake of fire. The star at the core that was naturally supposed to be released into space to dance before the sun would be dislodged from it's position and come crashing down inside. The light will be put out in the beasts kingdom forever and the natural path of the earth will be altered forever.



So imagine for a minute that you are the king inside the earth and suddenly without warning your world is destroyed. Fire has engulfed your kingdom and the smoke is unbearable. Would you not want to come out here to a world you know you can survive in? But how? There is no way out.



But scripture says the star has the key and opens the bottomless pit?



Rev 9:1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.



How does this work?



Remember in chapter verse 12? A third of the sun moon and stars are struck so the day shone not for 1/3 as well as the night?



So if you spin the earth aster what happens to the Arctic and Antarctic Oceans?



The earth now spins at approximately 1000 miles per hour. After the asteroid strikes it will spin at about 1300 miles an hour. Centrifugal force will pull the waters away from the poles exposing the holes that are there. The next verse reveals this.



Rev 9:2 And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.



And what caused the smoke? I think by now you understand...



Rev 9:3 And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.

Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.



So now you should understand that these locust are not literal locust but that is how they sweep across the earth in a swar. They are found in the first 2 chapters of books of Joel.



These locust have a king that rules over them. He is the one who ascends from the pit and goes into perdition mentioned in Revelation 17. He was (out here) he is not (out here) yet he is (alive inside the hollow earth) and will ascend from the pit and go into perdition. (along with the false prophet into the lake of fire alive)



I hope this has given you a better understanding of what God is doing and what the testimony of Jesus is all about. It is the salvation of the planet from destruction. It is settled forever in the heavens.
http://mobilelaz.com/judgmentday/creation.mp4
 
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No; there is variance. Carbon has 12 protons, and stable carbon has 12 neutrons, while radioactive carbon has 14 neutrons.
I agree though every atom has electrons, carbon having 6 electrons