A Divided Church?

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Constantine so changed the church that studies of church history tell of history before and after the Nicene Council. It was the great divide.

Yes, and Constantine was the antichrist who changed tactics. The Roman Emperor before Constantine attacked the church through persecution. They attacked from the outside in. But Constantine changed the method of attack. He began the infiltration of the church with false teachers and teachings. He formally began the attack from the inside out.

You have to break completely from the Roman church. Many denominations are still in the same "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" that Constantine built. The spirit of the Roman Church is the source for the many, many false teachings and divisions.

The Book of Revelation gives us the revelations we need to unveil these truths. But the false teachers have come and taken the Book of Revelation from the church. They have led the church to believe that for Revelation chapters 4-22 "none has yet been fulfilled". Don't believe this false teaching.

 

[WalkerAllan]

So what is it that we are looking for?

Imagine for a moment a group of 12 Christians meeting together in a lounge room. None of them have any titles and there is not a single doctorate of theology among them. But just what do we have here?

We have 12 temples of the Holy Spirit. What power is waiting to be released to the Body of Christ and, through them, to the world! What a profound reservoir of wisdom, of power, of knowledge, of discernment, of compassion, of gentleness, of hope, of faith and love it is that God has provided in that room!

Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. (Ephesians 3:20‑21, NIV)

We are talking here of the power that “hovered over the waters” and brought the universe into being. We are talking about the power that raised Jesus from the dead and which is “at work within us.” It has lain dormant for centuries ignored and, indeed, opposed by those who have taken control in the church institutions. It is the display of this power that we are longing to see manifest in the Body of Christ.

As important as it is, any “structure” that the Holy Spirit may put in place will be just a means to this end. God forbid that anyone should attempt to “direct” or control this process! It is something that will be brought to pass by the Holy Spirit alone and untouched by human hands. Woe betide anyone who puts out their hand to steady the ark as it returns to the heavenly Jerusalem.

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[Truth7t7]

But the false teachers have come and taken the Book of Revelation from the church. They have led the church to believe that for Revelation chapters 4-22 "none has yet been fulfilled". Don't believe this false teaching.

It appears you espouse the teachings in (Preterism) in 1st century fulfillment of the book of Revelation.

Preterism is a false teaching, as the second coming of Jesus Christ is seen throughout the book of Revelation, a (Literal) future event.

(They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds Of Heaven)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jesus Christ (Literally) returning to earth from the heavens

Revelation 19:11-16KJV
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

It appears you espouse the teachings in (Preterism) in 1st century fulfillment of the book of Revelation.

Preterism is a false teaching, as the second coming of Jesus Christ is seen throughout the book of Revelation, a (Literal) future event.

(They Shall See The Son Of Man Coming In The Clouds Of Heaven)

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Jesus Christ (Literally) returning to earth from the heavens

Revelation 19:11-16KJV
11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, King Of Kings, And Lord Of Lords.

You keep falsely accusing me of something I am not. Stop falsely labeling me. How about I label you a Roman Pope sympathizer. Yep, your a Roman Pope (antichrist) sympathizer.

 

[Truth7t7]

You keep falsely accusing me of something I am not. Stop falsely labeling me. How about I label you a Roman Pope sympathizer. Yep, your a Roman Pope (antichrist) sympathizer.

Direct Questions?

1. Do you believe Daniel's Abomination in Matthew 24:15 is fulfilled?

2. Do you believe the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

Direct Questions?

1. Do you believe Daniel's Abomination in Matthew 24:15 is fulfilled?

2. Do you believe the Great Tribulation in Matthew 24:21 is fulfilled?

I have already answered these questions from you not long ago. But you keep wanting to brow beat me.

Here is my answer again. These things are talking about Jewish Revolt and destruction of Jersusalum in 70 AD.

 

[Truth7t7]

I have already answered these questions from you not long ago. But you keep wanting to brow beat me.

Here is my answer again. These things are talking about Jewish Revolt and destruction of Jersusalum in 70 AD.

And I will tell you again, your belief is (Preterist) if you believe any part of the Olivet discourse has been fulfilled your in the (Preterist) camp

If you believe the second coming is future as seen in Matthew 24:29-30 your (Partial Preterist)

You might not like the label (Preterist) but that's exactly what you are in your belief.

The reformed teachings in (Historicism) are also Preterist.

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, and Constantine was the antichrist who changed tactics.

No Constatine wasnt the Antichrist

The Man of Sin will be revealed in the future, and the Lord will destroy him by the brightness of his coming.

 

[Blik]

Yes, and Constantine was the antichrist who changed tactics. The Roman Emperor before Constantine attacked the church through persecution. They attacked from the outside in. But Constantine changed the method of attack. He began the infiltration of the church with false teachers and teachings. He formally began the attack from the inside out.

You have to break completely from the Roman church. Many denominations are still in the same "one holy catholic and apostolic Church" that Constantine built. The spirit of the Roman Church is the source for the many, many false teachings and divisions.

The Book of Revelation gives us the revelations we need to unveil these truths. But the false teachers have come and taken the Book of Revelation from the church. They have led the church to believe that for Revelation chapters 4-22 "none has yet been fulfilled". Don't believe this false teaching.

This reasoning doesn't follow what I have learned. Constantine's goal was to establish a religion that united the Romans, and he felt Christ was a new God, opposed to God the Father.

Before Constantine, the church looked to the men closest to the apostles for answers, Constantine established a church council for answers, saying the Holy Spirit let them so whatever they decided was right. What they decided was often from the flesh. They said they had a right to make additions and decisions about God, Constantine was not interested in scripture.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

No Constatine wasnt the Antichrist

The Man of Sin will be revealed in the future, and the Lord will destroy him by the brightness of his coming.

And I will tell you again you are an antichrist sympathizer. You work to hide the antichrist.
You are a huge preterist. You say the Whore of Babylon is Jerusalem. This is exactly what the preterists say. You are discrediting your own false teachings. Do you even know this?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

This reasoning doesn't follow what I have learned. Constantine's goal was to establish a religion that united the Romans, and he felt Christ was a new God, opposed to God the Father.

Before Constantine, the church looked to the men closest to the apostles for answers, Constantine established a church council for answers, saying the Holy Spirit let them so whatever they decided was right. What they decided was often from the flesh. They said they had a right to make additions and decisions about God, Constantine was not interested in scripture.

Of course it doesn't. Some of what we all learn comes from false teachings that have infiltrated the church.

Before Constantine the Enemy attacked the church from the sea (1st beast revelation). This means that they Enemy couldn't enter the land of the believer. The Enemy could only attack them physically, but could not attack the believer in their land. Land be a spiritual land. Then when Constantine in 313 AD came and he temporarily stopped this attack from the sea and began instituted an new attack strategy which allowed for the Enemy to come into the land, thus the Enemy attacked by land (2nd beast of revelation). The enemy now came into the land and corrupted it and conquered it. They took over the church by confiscating the Word of God, the bible, and creating their own decrees starting with the 1st ecumenical council which was later followed by many others. Then in 381 AD another Roman emperor saw that once the Enemy had control of the land, he resumed the attack by the sea - Edict of Thessalonica

 

[Truth7t7]

And I will tell you again you are an antichrist sympathizer. You work to hide the antichrist.
You are a huge preterist. You say the Whore of Babylon is Jerusalem. This is exactly what the preterists say. You are discrediting your own false teachings. Do you even know this?

I dont sympathize with any Antichrist as you falsely claim

Showing the (Fact) that Jerusalem is the whore, Mystery Babylon has (absolutely nothing) to do with preterism, nada

Your post is nothing more than a (Distraction) away from truth.

And I will tell you again, your belief is (Preterist) if you believe any part of the Olivet discourse has been fulfilled your in the (Preterist) camp

If you believe the second coming is future as seen in Matthew 24:29-30 your (Partial Preterist)

You might not like the label (Preterist) but that's exactly what you are in your belief.

The reformed teachings in (Historicism) are also Preterist.

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.

 

[Truth7t7]

This reasoning doesn't follow what I have learned. Constantine's goal was to establish a religion that united the Romans, and he felt Christ was a new God, opposed to God the Father.

Before Constantine, the church looked to the men closest to the apostles for answers, Constantine established a church council for answers, saying the Holy Spirit let them so whatever they decided was right. What they decided was often from the flesh. They said they had a right to make additions and decisions about God, Constantine was not interested in scripture.

I agree

Constatine was interested in control, as you stated he established the 1st nicean Council, 1800 bishops in the empire were invited all expenses paid, only318 showed up, only 15%?

These numbers let you know exactly where the church was in Relationship to the Emperor Constatine.

He donated the land that is now Vatican city in Rome, and built St Petersburg Cathedral, Constatine is the founder of Roman Catholicism, and it has persecuted the true church since its inception with Constatine

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I dont sympathize with any Antichrist as you falsely claim

Showing the (Fact) that Jerusalem is the whore, Mystery Babylon has (absolutely nothing) to do with preterism, nada

Your post is nothing more than a (Distraction) away from truth.

And I will tell you again, your belief is (Preterist) if you believe any part of the Olivet discourse has been fulfilled your in the (Preterist) camp

If you believe the second coming is future as seen in Matthew 24:29-30 your (Partial Preterist)

You might not like the label (Preterist) but that's exactly what you are in your belief.

The reformed teachings in (Historicism) are also Preterist.

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.

So now your biblical reference of knowledge and spiritual reference of truth is wikipedia?

Wikipedia is a good source for historical information. But for biblical and spiritual truths wikipedia is not a crediable source.
You are revealing your ways of error.

All of these categorizing terms in Eschatology are man-made terms and are part of the deception, which you so conveniently use.
You refuse to even listen to what I am saying. You refuse to test what I or other test and compare.

You have devised some sort of one verse litmus test to write others off. Your approach is so erroneous but you can't understand this.

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

I dont sympathize with any Antichrist as you falsely claim

Showing the (Fact) that Jerusalem is the whore, Mystery Babylon has (absolutely nothing) to do with preterism, nada

Your post is nothing more than a (Distraction) away from truth.

And I will tell you again, your belief is (Preterist) if you believe any part of the Olivet discourse has been fulfilled your in the (Preterist) camp

If you believe the second coming is future as seen in Matthew 24:29-30 your (Partial Preterist)

You might not like the label (Preterist) but that's exactly what you are in your belief.

The reformed teachings in (Historicism) are also Preterist.

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.

You are trying to label me as this from Wikipedia with your bogus one verse litmus test:

Partial preterism[edit]
Partial preterism (often referred to as orthodox preterism or classical preterism) may hold that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70[24] or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.[25][26]

This does not encapsulate me!!!!!!!!

Labeling me falsely is another tactic that Antichrist sympathizers such as yourself use to confound the discussion.

All your interpretations are designed to hide the truth that the Antichrist is here in the world today. Your interpretations serve to protect and hide the Antichrist.
The Antichrist has been in the world ever since 1st century AD. The Antichrist is in the world today!

What I hold is NOT a preterist view.

 

[Truth7t7]

So now your biblical reference of knowledge and spiritual reference of truth is wikipedia?

Wikipedia is a good source for historical information. But for biblical and spiritual truths wikipedia is not a crediable source.
You are revealing your ways of error.

All of these categorizing terms in Eschatology are man-made terms and are part of the deception, which you so conveniently use.
You refuse to even listen to what I am saying. You refuse to test what I or other test and compare.

You have devised some sort of one verse litmus test to write others off. Your approach is so erroneous but you can't understand this.

I have tested your belief, and its preterist, that teaches events in Matthew 24 in the Olivetdiscourse took place in 70AD, namely Daniel's Abomination and the Great tribulation

Your belief is (Preterist) if you believe any part of the Olivet discourse has been fulfilled your in the (Preterist) camp

If you believe the second coming is future as seen in Matthew 24:29-30 your (Partial Preterist)

You might not like the label (Preterist) but that's exactly what you are in your belief.

The reformed teachings in (Historicism) are also Preterist.

Wikipedia: Preterism, a Christian eschatological view, interprets some (partial preterism) or all (full preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened from the 7th century BC until the first century AD, while seeing the prophecies of the Book of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70.
The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, which is a prefix denoting that something is "past" or "beyond".[1] Adherents of preterism are known as preterists. Preterism teaches that either all (full preterism) or a majority (partial preterism) of the Olivet discourse had come to pass by AD 70.
Historically, preterists and non-preterists have generally agreed that the Jesuit Luis de Alcasar (1554–1613) wrote the first systematic preterist exposition of prophecy Vestigatio arcani sensus in Apocalypsi (published in 1614) during the Counter-Reformation.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are trying to label me as this from Wikipedia with your bogus one verse litmus test:

Partial preterism[edit]
Partial preterism (often referred to as orthodox preterism or classical preterism) may hold that most eschatological prophecies, such as the destruction of Jerusalem, the Antichrist, the Great Tribulation, and the advent of the Day of the Lord as a "judgment-coming" of Christ, were fulfilled either in AD 70[24] or during the persecution of Christians under the Emperor Nero.[25][26]

This does not encapsulate me!!!!!!!!

Labeling me falsely is another tactic that Antichrist sympathizers such as yourself use to confound the discussion.

All your interpretations are designed to hide the truth that the Antichrist is here in the world today. Your interpretations serve to protect and hide the Antichrist.
The Antichrist has been in the world ever since 1st century AD. The Antichrist is in the world today!

What I hold is NOT a preterist view.

You claimed that Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's Abomination and Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation took place in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

Your teaching and belief Is in the Preterist camp

I dont care if you believe the Antichrist is seen throughout history as (Reformed Historicism) teaches, your previous mentioned belief is Preterist, simple

Your continued claim I'm trying to hide Antichrist is false, a diversion in debate

The Man of Sin, The Beast, The Antichrist is future, he will be a literal human man that will be destroyed by the Lord, at the brightness of his second coming

No the Popes throughout history didnt fulfill this future human man, simple

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You claimed that Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's Abomination and Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation took place in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

Your teaching and belief Is in the Preterist camp

I dont care if you believe the Antichrist is seen throughout history as (Reformed Historicism) teaches, your previous mentioned belief is Preterist, simple

Your continued claim I'm trying to hide Antichrist is false, a diversion in debate

The Man of Sin, The Beast, The Antichrist is future, he will be a literal human man that will be destroyed by the Lord, at the brightness of his second coming

No the Popes throughout history didnt fulfill this future human man, simple

Popes: are they false apostles or true apostles?

 

[Nebuchadnezzer]

You claimed that Matthew 24:15 in Daniel's Abomination and Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation took place in the 70AD destruction of Jerusalem

Your teaching and belief Is in the Preterist camp

I dont care if you believe the Antichrist is seen throughout history as (Reformed Historicism) teaches, your previous mentioned belief is Preterist, simple

Your continued claim I'm trying to hide Antichrist is false, a diversion in debate

The Man of Sin, The Beast, The Antichrist is future, he will be a literal human man that will be destroyed by the Lord, at the brightness of his second coming

No the Popes throughout history didnt fulfill this future human man, simple

So what do Historicists believe on the Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?

 

[Nehemiah6]

Popes: are they false apostles or true apostles?

Popes are not apostles or prophets. They are "vicars of Christ" (albeit falsely).

According to the New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia:
(Latin Vicarius Christi).

A title of the pope implying his supreme and universal primacy, both of honour and of jurisdiction, over the Church of Christ. It is founded on the words of the Divine Shepherd to St. Peter: "Feed my lambs. . . . Feed my sheep" (John 21:16-17), by which He constituted the Prince of the Apostles guardian of His entire flock in His own place, thus making him His Vicar and fulfilling the promise made in Matthew 16:18-19.

In the course of the ages other vicarial designations have been used for the pope, as Vicar of St. Peter and even Vicar of the Apostolic See (Pope Gelasius, I, Ep. vi), but the title Vicar of Christ is more expressive of his supreme headship of the Church on earth, which he bears in virtue of the commission of Christ and with vicarial power derived from Him.

Thus, Innocent III appeals for his power to remove bishops to the fact that he is Vicar of Christ (cap. "Inter corporalia", 2, "De trans. ep."). He also declares that Christ has given such power only to His Vicar Peter and his successors (cap. "Quanto", 3, ibid.), and states that it is the Roman Pontiff who is "the successor of Peter and the Vicar of Jesus Christ" (cap. "Licet", 4, ibid.). The title Vicar of God used for the pope by Nicholas III (c. "Fundamenta ejus", 17, "De elect.", in 6) is employed as an equivalent for Vicar of Christ.

How does Marxist Pope Francis fit this definition? And who's going to fire him?