A complex question about free will and Calvinism

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Magenta

Magenta

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yadyahawahshimashayach said:
Sure_
Genesis 2:16
And the LORD God (commanded) the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die._ Now who was The Son of God in the furnace with Daniel , Meshach and Abednego_
Daniel 3:
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25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like (the Son of God.) Who is The Son of God?
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That does not say what you originally claimed... here:

yadyahawahshimashayach said:
Adam was commanded to keep: The Son of The Living God.
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Lafftur

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LostSoul said:
Yes it is circular.

I've asked whether knowledge of every particle's position and momentum at the point of the big bang would undermine free will and you've simply asserted that love is a result of free will and therefore what I ask cannot be true.

If you want to assert that love is a result of free will, then prove it - scientifically, since this thread is essentially a scientific examination of Calvinism.
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I’ve been pondering and have come to realize that Love is foundational and circular - not a human reasoning hamster wheel but, circular in that Love gives and receives - it makes a circuit - like electrical current.

You really need to ponder the “scientific” aspect of Love.......then, you would be in search of God and not just knowledge that can be deceiving......knowledge without love is NOTHING, meaning without love, knowledge is NOTHING.
 
Lafftur

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LostSoul said:
Yes it is circular.

I've asked whether knowledge of every particle's position and momentum at the point of the big bang would undermine free will and you've simply asserted that love is a result of free will and therefore what I ask cannot be true.

If you want to assert that love is a result of free will, then prove it - scientifically, since this thread is essentially a scientific examination of Calvinism.
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Love is NOT a result of free will but, Love can only occur if it has free will.

God is Love..... His greatest desire is to love and be loved.

God has created all these habitats - universes, galaxies, solar systems, planets, spiritual realm, the seen and unseen, angels, demons, Satan, etc.....

Yet, God has a delimma....He cannot create what He really wants.....love.

Love cannot be created. If God creates beings that love Him, it is not love but, manipulation.

Love MUST have a choice, if there is no choice then there is no love.

God created man in His image....we have the capacity to love but, we must choose to do so.....just like God chooses to love us.....even while we were sinners.
 
LostSoul

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Lafftur said:
I’ve been pondering and have come to realize that Love is foundational and circular - not a human reasoning hamster wheel but, circular in that Love gives and receives - it makes a circuit - like electrical current.

You really need to ponder the “scientific” aspect of Love.......then, you would be in search of God and not just knowledge that can be deceiving......knowledge without love is NOTHING, meaning without love, knowledge is NOTHING.
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I'm afraid I have no idea what you mean?
 
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