A complex question about free will and Calvinism

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LostSoul said:
If one could know the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event could be calculated.
These future events would include the motion of neurotransmitters and electrical activity in the brain, both of which contribute to decision making.
Therefore, do we really have free will?
If we don't have true free will, which my thought experiment would seem to suggest, then is Calvinism true?
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If we can locate the position of the Algorithm and match and align the same moment of any event, we can surely know the answer to the question.
 
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YOUR WORLDLY KNOWLEDGE: GOT YOU A BIT CARRIED AWAY:

IN THE BEGINNING; GOD COMMANDED ADAM," EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE." SO WHERE IS FREE WILL? FOR WHO IS THE LIFE?


AND DID THE PROPHET DANIEL NEED:the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event; ANY OF THESES: TO BRIEF THE PERSIAN KING OF HIS FUTURE; AS ITS WRITTEN_
Daniel 11

1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
 
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LostSoul said:
I have a complex question about free will and Calvinism, as the title of the thread suggests.
Here it is:

If one could know the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event could be calculated.
These future events would include the motion of neurotransmitters and electrical activity in the brain, both of which contribute to decision making.
Therefore, do we really have free will?
If we don't have true free will, which my thought experiment would seem to suggest, then is Calvinism true?

Before anybody throws Heisenberg at me, Heisenberg simply suggests that the more accurately you measure one variable, the less well you can know the other. Regardless, every particle does have a definite mass and velocity.
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YOUR WORLDLY KNOWLEDGE: GOT YOU A BIT CARRIED AWAY:

IN THE BEGINNING; GOD COMMANDED ADAM," EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE." SO WHERE IS FREE WILL? FOR WHO IS THE LIFE?


AND DID THE PROPHET DANIEL NEED:the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event; ANY OF THESE: TO BRIEF THE PERSIAN KING OF HIS FUTURE; AS ITS WRITTEN_
Daniel 11

1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
 
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YOUR WORLDLY KNOWLEDGE: GOT YOU A BIT CARRIED AWAY:

IN THE BEGINNING; GOD COMMANDED ADAM," EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE." SO WHERE IS FREE WILL? FOR WHO IS THE LIFE?


AND DID THE PROPHET DANIEL NEED:the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event; ANY OF THESE: TO BRIEF THE PERSIAN KING OF HIS FUTURE; AS ITS WRITTEN_
Daniel 11

1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
 
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yadyahawahshimashayach said:
YOUR WORLDLY KNOWLEDGE: GOT YOU A BIT CARRIED AWAY:

IN THE BEGINNING; GOD COMMANDED ADAM," EAT OF THE TREE OF LIFE." SO WHERE IS FREE WILL? FOR WHO IS THE LIFE?


AND DID THE PROPHET DANIEL NEED:the position and momentum of every particle at the time of the big bang, any future event; ANY OF THESE: TO BRIEF THE PERSIAN KING OF HIS FUTURE; AS ITS WRITTEN_
Daniel 11

1 Also I in the first year of Darius the Mede, even I, stood to confirm and to strengthen him.

2 And now will I shew thee the truth. Behold, there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia; and the fourth shall be far richer than they all: and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
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Please expand, I don't fully understand what you mean or how it relates to my question in the original post.
Avoiding writing the whole thing in capitals makes it easier on the eye too.
 
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You talk about free will: When God commanded Adam," Eat of The Tree of Life and (not) the Tree of Good and Evil." Where is free will? And do you know: whos The Tree of Life?
 
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yadyahawahshimashayach said:
You talk about free will: When God commanded Adam," Eat of The Tree of Life and (not)
the Tree of Good and Evil." Where is free will? And do you know: whos The Tree of Life?
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Adam and Eve did not eat of the Tree of Life.

The other tree was not the Tree of Knowledge.

It is properly called the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil ;)
 
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Second: Did The Prophet Daniel need: the position and momentum of every particle: to forecast Darius the mede future?
 
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Hi Magenta: Adam and Eve was suppose to eat of the Tree of Life: that was the goal. I agree the other Tree was called: The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil : God told them not to eat of that Tree: for they would die
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Hi Magenta: Adam and Eve was suppose to eat of the Tree of Life: that was the goal. I agree the other Tree was called: The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil : God told them not to eat of that Tree: for they would die
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More precise, Thus saith The Lord," Iam The Way, The Truth and (The Life)." Adam was commanded to keep: The Son of The Living God. And every Word of God is Pure: not What the World thinks and taught.
 
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yadyahawahshimashayach said:
More precise, Thus saith The Lord," Iam The Way, The Truth and (The Life)." Adam was commanded to keep: The Son of The Living God. And every Word of God is Pure: not What the World thinks and taught.
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What does the word/name [yadyahawahshimashayach] mean?
 
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Magenta said:
Scripture verse/s, please.
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Sure_
Genesis 2:16
And the LORD God (commanded) the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Genesis 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die._ Now who was The Son of God in the furnace with Daniel , Meshach and Abednego_
Daniel 3:
KJV
25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like (the Son of God.) Who is The Son of God?
 
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