7 Year Time line

[BOY]

First allow me to say I wish others would endeavor to make time lines. Because to make a time line requires thought to organize events in the correct order and in relationship to one another. And provides a overall communication easier to understand than just words.

BOY, your time line chart is wrong for a multitude of reasons.

1. the 7 seals span the 7 years.
2. the 1260 days Revelation 11:3 is the first half
3. the 1260 days Revelation 12:6 is the first half
4. show the abomination of desolation - 1335 days to Jesus's return (Matthew 24:30b)
5. show the abomination of desolation - 1290 days to the sign of the Son of man in heaven (Matthew 24:29-30a). The sign of the Son of man in heaven is the event revealed when Jesus opened the sixth seal. Revelation 6:12-17.

What program are you using to make your charts ?

I use Corel Paintshop Pro. I have many time line charts that I have made.

Little bit hard for me to get my head around that timeline.

I'll just go for the obvious mistakes. Revelation 11 is the last 3 1/2 years. Not the first 3 1/2 years, as the two end time witnesses are raised from the dead last trumpet In the clouds. And we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with THEM. to meet the Lord in the air. At the last trumpet.

Also, the seven seals. are opened first. and then there's a half an hour break then the trumpets begin.

Rev8:1And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
2And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

And as for revelation 12 the beast has power only for 42 months. and the woman flees into the wilderness where she has a place prepared.

Rev12:12Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.


So as you can see, the woman flees into the wilderness for the last 3. 1/2 years, not the first 3. 1/2 years. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but you should sack that guy. and get somebody else to teach you.

 

[BOY]

I would love to but it would take many days of posting and I don't have the time and you would not believe me.
Where did you get this chart? You should give the maker credit even though it is not correct.
Here is a challenge for you.
Give me two Scriptures that prove there is a seven year tribulation period coming.

The 70th week is known as Jacob's trouble That's seven years of trouble.

Also, Jesus talks about the beginning of sorrow, wars, rumors of wars, famines, then the Great Tribulation. So it's seven years of trouble but 3 1/2 years of great tribulation.

So that's why Christians some Christians call it a seven year of tribulation.

And you're probably right, I won't believe you.

But you do remember what Jesus said. Loveest thou me Feed my sheep, Loveest thou me Feed my sheep. Loveest thou me Feed my sheep

and you say you don't have time

PS
I give credit to where credit is due. I made it

 

[BOY]

The seven seals were opened nearly 2000 years ago when Christ ascended to the father and was given the dominion and a kingdom as prophesied in Daniel 7:13-14. His unsealing of that mystery begins at Revelation 5:6

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7:13-14​

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And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Revelation 5:6-7​

None of those verses mention the seal's being opened 2000 years ago.

 

[douggg]

The seven seals were opened nearly 2000 years ago when Christ ascended to the father and was given the dominion and a kingdom as prophesied in Daniel 7:13-14. His unsealing of that mystery begins at Revelation 5:6

I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. Daniel 7:13-14​

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And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne. Revelation 5:6-7​

In Revelation 6, as John was in heaven, he witnessed Jesus opening the seals on the book, I agree. But that does not mean the events revealed by each seal was fulfilled back then. The events are still future, unfulfilled.

 

[douggg]

So as you can see, the woman flees into the wilderness for the last 3. 1/2 years, not the first 3. 1/2 years. I don't know where you're getting your information from, but you should sack that guy. and get somebody else to teach you.

I am 75 years old and have studied eschatology in the bible for over fifty years. I am not reflecting something that has been taught to me by some prophecy teacher.

I am here to teach you, not the reverse.

The woman, her seed the Jews, fleeing into the wilderness in Revelation 12:14, to be protected from Satan's attempts to destroy her is the second half of the 7 years (technically, "in" the second half because a time, times, half time expression is not quiet 1260 days).

Revelation 12:1-5 is a vision of the past, about Jesus's first coming and his ascending to heaven, to where He now sits at the Father's right hand.

Then, Revelation 12 jumps to the end times, the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Revelation 12:6, the woman (Israel) is in the land of Israel, where the two witnesses will feed her the Word of God for 1260 days, as they preach the gospel of the kingdom.

Revelation 12:7-9 then war in second heaven, after the two witnesses are killed and leave this earth, and Satan and his angels cast down to earth.

Revelation 12:10, the Jews, the seed of the woman, finally embrace the gospel of the kingdom, and salvation, and believe upon Jesus.

Revelation 12:11, speaks about the two witnesses.

Revelation 12:12, identifies Satan cast down to earth having great wrath knowing that he has but a short time left - as the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, signified by the 7th angel sounding his trumpet (Revelation 11:15). Them in heaven rejoice over his being cast down... the reaction of them in heaven rejoicing in Revelation 11:16-19, when the 7th trumpet sounds in Revelation 11:15.

Revelation 12:13-17 is part of the Jews flee right away into the mountains of Israel when the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast-king is placed on the temple mount. Those Jews who do not flee right away, their escape routes are blocked and are the remnant of the seed of the woman, in Revelation 12:17, who will be persecuted by Satan - until Jesus returns in Zechariah 14 to rescue them,

 

[BOY]

I am 75 years old and have studied eschatology in the bible for over fifty years. I am not reflecting something that has been taught to me by some prophecy teacher.

I am here to teach you, not the reverse.

The woman, her seed the Jews, fleeing into the wilderness in Revelation 12:14, to be protected from Satan's attempts to destroy her is the second half of the 7 years (technically, "in" the second half because a time, times, half time expression is not quiet 1260 days).

Revelation 12:1-5 is a vision of the past, about Jesus's first coming and his ascending to heaven, to where He now sits at the Father's right hand.

Then, Revelation 12 jumps to the end times, the 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

Revelation 12:6, the woman (Israel) is in the land of Israel, where the two witnesses will feed her the Word of God for 1260 days, as they preach the gospel of the kingdom.

Revelation 12:7-9 then war in second heaven, after the two witnesses are killed and leave this earth, and Satan and his angels cast down to earth.

Revelation 12:10, the Jews, the seed of the woman, finally embrace the gospel of the kingdom, and salvation, and believe upon Jesus.

Revelation 12:11, speaks about the two witnesses.

Revelation 12:12, identifies Satan cast down to earth having great wrath knowing that he has but a short time left - as the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, signified by the 7th angel sounding his trumpet (Revelation 11:15). Them in heaven rejoice over his being cast down... the reaction of them in heaven rejoicing in Revelation 11:16-19, when the 7th trumpet sounds in Revelation 11:15.

Revelation 12:13-17 is part of the Jews flee right away into the mountains of Israel when the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast-king is placed on the temple mount. Those Jews who do not flee right away, their escape routes are blocked and are the remnant of the seed of the woman, in Revelation 12:17, who will be persecuted by Satan - until Jesus returns in Zechariah 14 to rescue them,

ok buddy

 

[douggg]

@BOY

Here is a table I made of all the time frames in the bible for the end times. Take these into consideration when you make your time line charts.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

The 70th week is known as Jacob's trouble That's seven years of trouble.

If you follow Scofield you will be led astray

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

In Revelation 6, as John was in heaven, he witnessed Jesus opening the seals on the book, I agree. But that does not mean the events revealed by each seal was fulfilled back then. The events are still future, unfulfilled.

Some of them are, some of them aren't.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

None of those verses mention the seal's being opened 2000 years ago.

I didn't include that part, but it obviously happens after he takes the scroll out of the hand of the Ancient of Days and receives glory and honor as described in Daniel 7:14

 

[douggg]

Some of them are, some of them aren't.

The events don't begin until after the rider on the white horse arrives, in the first seal.

The first seal rider on the white horse is the future Antichrist. A messianic figure, implied by riding a white horse. The crown he is given is that of being the King of Israel, as the Jews will for a while think he is their long awaited messiah.

I made a chart of the 5 stages that the person goes through en route to his end of being cast alive into the lake of fire. The five stages are in blue.

 

[BOY]

If you follow Scofield you will be led astray

who is Scofield

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

who is Scofield

Cyrus Scofield published the Scofield Reference bible with extensive footnotes that are filled with dispensational error. That's what these carnal prophecy interpretations and timelines are based on.

 

[SomeDisciple]

who is Scofield

A person that preterists like to bring up a lot when they see interpretations of revelation that they don't like. He's not important or even relevant.

 

[ChristRoseFromTheDead]

A person that preterists like to bring up a lot when they see interpretations of revelation that they don't like. He's not important or even relevant.

To accurate eschatology I agree, but he's the origin of what dispensationalists believe. His eschatology didn't exist in the church prior to himself and Darby

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

@BOY

Here is a chart I made of the seven seals spanning the 7 years (day 1 to day 2520).



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Revelation 6:7-8:

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.​

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."​

One fourth of the earth will be killed. This is unparalleled to anything that has happened in the past. I believe this is the enforcement of the mark by the antichrist and his regime. The beasts are not animals that kill but they are demonically led men under the antichrist’s control.

The fifth seal is the saints crying out to God for vengeance because the antichrist just slaughtered them.

The sixth seal is God’s response to their cry (Which is the Day of the Lord).
The Day of the Lord is a specific period of time (several years) where God’s wrath is unleashed on the antichrist and the remaining unrepentant world.


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[BOY]

Revelation 6:7-8:

"And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.​

And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth."​

One fourth of the earth will be killed. This is unparalleled to anything that has happened in the past. I believe this is the enforcement of the mark by the antichrist and his regime. The beasts are not animals that kill but they are demonically led men under the antichrist’s control.

The fifth seal is the saints crying out to God for vengeance because the antichrist just slaughtered them.

The sixth seal is God’s response to their cry (Which is the Day of the Lord).
The Day of the Lord is a specific period of time (several years) where God’s wrath is unleashed on the antichrist and the remaining unrepentant world.


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The six seal is where the Antichrist comes to power at the 42 month mark. Once he gets booted out of the heavens.

Rev6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

As you can see in the six seal, the stars of the heavens fall to the earth. The heavens depart as a scroll. because the wrath of the lamb has come. and the 7th seal is the trumpets The wrath. They are One third strong. but it's still the wrath of the lamb.
Now move on to Revelation 12. Which is the midpoint mark. And a third of the stars fall to the Earth. And the devil has been booted out of the heavens and come to the earth and persecutes the woman. for a short time.

So it's the seven seals, then the 7 trumpets, then the. 7 vials.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The six seal is where the Antichrist comes to power at the 42 month mark. Once he gets booted out of the heavens.

Rev6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

As you can see in the six seal, the stars of the heavens fall to the earth. The heavens depart as a scroll. because the wrath of the lamb has come. and the 7th seal is the trumpets The wrath. They are One third strong. but it's still the wrath of the lamb.
Now move on to Revelation 12. Which is the midpoint mark. And a third of the stars fall to the Earth. And the devil has been booted out of the heavens and come to the earth and persecutes the woman. for a short time.

So it's the seven seals, then the 7 trumpets, then the. 7 vials.

This does not make any sense. The antichrist is slaughtering everybody in the 4th seal with death by the enforcement of the mark.
The middle of the tribulation (Marked by Daniel and the Olivet discourse) is a warning of the antichrist‘s abomination of desolations in the Jewish temple (which would naturally follow with the enforcement of the mark). The 6th seal lines up with the signs of the Day of the Lord (skies going dark, etc.). The 6th seal is God’s reply to the 5th seal in the saints crying out for justice (For having just been killed by the antichrist). Refer to my end times chronology.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/my-new-end-times-chronology.8109642/


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[GaryA]

There is no 7-year 'prophetic' End Times period.

The 70 weeks of Daniel have been 100% fulfilled.

http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Seventy_Weeks.html
http://mywebsite.us/BibleStudy/Time_Line.html

 

[BOY]

This does not make any sense. The antichrist is slaughtering everybody in the 4th seal with death by the enforcement of the mark.
The middle of the tribulation (Marked by Daniel and the Olivet discourse) is a warning of the antichrist‘s abomination of desolations in the Jewish temple (which would naturally follow with the enforcement of the mark). The 6th seal lines up with the signs of the Day of the Lord (skies going dark, etc.). The 6th seal is God’s reply to the 5th seal in the saints crying out for justice (For having just been killed by the antichrist). Refer to my end times chronology.

https://www.christianforums.com/threads/my-new-end-times-chronology.8109642/


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9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

It says nothing about them being killed in the tribulation or by the Antichrist That's our brethren in the past being killed for the testimony which they held for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.

After the 6th seal, it's the 7th seal And then there's a half an hour break. And then the Trumpets. It's not (go back in time, and then the trumpets begin). There's just a half an hour break. then the trumpets