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No, I don't waffle, I asked a simple question which none of you appear able to answer. I'm solid in my understanding of end time prophecy and have plenty of biblical proof.
598 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar removed sacred vessels from temple. End of Daily sacrifice. 2 Chronicles 36:5-7.
1290 years later, a major event. In 692 A.D. the Abomination of desolation was set up.
The completion of the Dome of the Rock (set up) on God's Holy Mountain, Mt. Moriah.
1335 years later, = October 2027, three years from now. This ends the 490-year prophecy of Daniel. 3 1/2 years remain.
This is the time of Jacob's trouble. The Great Tribulation begins in October or November of 2027, and ends in April or May of 2031 A.D., 3 1/2 years.
Now I'm going out on a limb. If it's a pre-trib rapture, the church will be gone this year, April or May 2024. If a mid-trib rapture, it will be in late October or November 2027.
October 27 A.D. Jesus was baptized. 2000 later, 2027 October.
Jesus' death, April 31 A.D. 2000 years later, Passover 2031 A.D.
Hosea 5:15, the Lord said, "I will return to my place. Where'd he go? Back into heaven. Acts 1:9, Jesus "Was taken up: and a cloud received him out of their sight."
This took place in May or June of 31 A.D. In Hosea 6:2 Hosea is told the Lord would begin reviving the Jews in 2 days from the time he left in 31 A.D. A day with the Lord is 1000 years. Two days later or 2000-years, = April 2031 Passover.
Jeremiah's second prophesy, 594 B.C. Jeremiah 29:10-14. Add to that date, Daniel 12:11, 1290 + 1335= 2625 years. 594 B.C. plus 2625 = 2031 A.D.
October 23, 4004 B.C. the fall of Adam and Eve. Christ brought thirty-three-and-one half years of God's peace and good will with him, from his birth to his death, October of 4 B.C. until his death in April of 31 A.D.
From October of 4004 B.C. until Passover April 2031 exactly 6033.5 years.
I don't expect the church to be taken into the tribulation, at least not the Great tribulation. I don't concern myself with the seven-years of tribulation, that's between the Lord, the fallen nation of Israel and fallen Gentiles.
In Daniel 12:4, Daniel is told to seal up the words of the book.
And don't give me that nonsense of "No man knows the day or the hour." Go read the question.
598 B.C. Nebuchadnezzar removed sacred vessels from temple. End of Daily sacrifice. 2 Chronicles 36:5-7.
1290 years later, a major event. In 692 A.D. the Abomination of desolation was set up.
The completion of the Dome of the Rock (set up) on God's Holy Mountain, Mt. Moriah.
1335 years later, = October 2027, three years from now. This ends the 490-year prophecy of Daniel. 3 1/2 years remain.
This is the time of Jacob's trouble. The Great Tribulation begins in October or November of 2027, and ends in April or May of 2031 A.D., 3 1/2 years.
Now I'm going out on a limb. If it's a pre-trib rapture, the church will be gone this year, April or May 2024. If a mid-trib rapture, it will be in late October or November 2027.
October 27 A.D. Jesus was baptized. 2000 later, 2027 October.
Jesus' death, April 31 A.D. 2000 years later, Passover 2031 A.D.
Hosea 5:15, the Lord said, "I will return to my place. Where'd he go? Back into heaven. Acts 1:9, Jesus "Was taken up: and a cloud received him out of their sight."
This took place in May or June of 31 A.D. In Hosea 6:2 Hosea is told the Lord would begin reviving the Jews in 2 days from the time he left in 31 A.D. A day with the Lord is 1000 years. Two days later or 2000-years, = April 2031 Passover.
Jeremiah's second prophesy, 594 B.C. Jeremiah 29:10-14. Add to that date, Daniel 12:11, 1290 + 1335= 2625 years. 594 B.C. plus 2625 = 2031 A.D.
October 23, 4004 B.C. the fall of Adam and Eve. Christ brought thirty-three-and-one half years of God's peace and good will with him, from his birth to his death, October of 4 B.C. until his death in April of 31 A.D.
From October of 4004 B.C. until Passover April 2031 exactly 6033.5 years.
I don't expect the church to be taken into the tribulation, at least not the Great tribulation. I don't concern myself with the seven-years of tribulation, that's between the Lord, the fallen nation of Israel and fallen Gentiles.
In Daniel 12:4, Daniel is told to seal up the words of the book.
And don't give me that nonsense of "No man knows the day or the hour." Go read the question.
Daniel 12:11-12 states, "And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." IF you're going to count 1290 days as 598 BC to 692 AD, then the 1335 days would put you at 736 AD, the count originating from the same as the 1290 days. Read it very CAREFULLY.
Romans, good morning. I do not consider the word "days to be years in either case, not from the context and considering the whole book of Daniel. Danile's book unlike Revelation covers hundres of years, centuries. So my conclusions are as follows.
From 598 B.C. to 692 A.D. is 1290 years.
From 692 A.D. + 1335 years = October of 2027 A.D.
From Jeremiah's prophecy in 594 B.C. in Jeremiah 29:10-14 + 2625 years brings us to the year April 2031 A.D. Three and a half years
Jesus baptized October of 27 A.D. + 2000 Year = 2027.
Jesus' death on the cross, April of 31 A.D. + 2000 years = 2031 A.D.
This 2000 years prophesy fulfills Hosea 6:2 his two days or 2000 year years.
I'm sorry you missed the whole point. Slow down and re-read my post, which was about the relationship between the 1290 years and the 1335 years. They have the same point of origin. The 1335 years extends only 45 years beyond the 1290. They are not consecutive to make up 2625 years.
So, what you're saying is, both periods 1290 and 1335 begin in 598 B.C. when the daily sacrifice was taken away? And the 1335 is 45 days longer ending in 737 A.D.
For what purpose do you believe the Lord would have Daniel record it in that manner? Now if it read, "From the time that the daily sacrifice is taken away, -----------------. Then blessed are those who wait another 45 years," I could agree with you, but it doesn't.
My first question would be, concerning Israel, was there any important event that took place in 737 A.D. that affected the Jews or the Land? I can't find any. And because verse 11 and 12 are separated by a period, I would say the 1335 is a whole thought concerning a different period of time. They have to be two distinct periods. 1290 years, followed by another 1335 years. The 1335 would answer to verse 9, "for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end."
So many other events and prophecies bring us to the same two periods. Yom Kippur October 2027 and Passover, April 2031, 3 1/2 years later.
Your thoughts.
I would say that "Blessed is he that waiteth . . . ", would be referring to that one who had come to the 1290 days being encouraged to endure just a little bit longer (45 more days). Especially does this make sense when he states "Blessed is he . . . that cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." Sounds to me that both periods start at the same time. But then, I'm not encouraging anyone to translate those days into years either.
Romans 34, sorry I was away for so long, had out of State guests. Now concerning your comment,
I would say that "Blessed is he that waiteth . . . ", would be referring to that one who had come to the 1290 days being encouraged to endure just a little bit longer (45 more days). Especially does this make sense when he states "Blessed is he . . . that cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." Sounds to me that both periods start at the same time. But then, I'm not encouraging anyone to translate those days into years either.
I see what you're saying. Let me ask you two questions, the first concerns your understanding of days. You wrote, "But then, I'm not encouraging anyone to translate those days into years either."
Okay, let's say you're right, let's say it is days. How then would you understand Hosea 6:2, "After two days will he (God) revive us (the Jews): in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." Would you say Hosea is speaking of two and three literal 24-hour days, years, or what?
Second question: If Daniel does mean literal 24-hour days, according to your thinking, when did, or when will the "Daily sacrifice have been taken away?' That has to be the first question answered before the 1290 and 1335 (whatever) takes place. Is the "daily sacrifice" in your thinking already a thing of the past or is it yet future?
I would say that "Blessed is he that waiteth . . . ", would be referring to that one who had come to the 1290 days being encouraged to endure just a little bit longer (45 more days). Especially does this make sense when he states "Blessed is he . . . that cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days." Sounds to me that both periods start at the same time. But then, I'm not encouraging anyone to translate those days into years either.
I see what you're saying. Let me ask you two questions, the first concerns your understanding of days. You wrote, "But then, I'm not encouraging anyone to translate those days into years either."
Okay, let's say you're right, let's say it is days. How then would you understand Hosea 6:2, "After two days will he (God) revive us (the Jews): in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight." Would you say Hosea is speaking of two and three literal 24-hour days, years, or what?
Second question: If Daniel does mean literal 24-hour days, according to your thinking, when did, or when will the "Daily sacrifice have been taken away?' That has to be the first question answered before the 1290 and 1335 (whatever) takes place. Is the "daily sacrifice" in your thinking already a thing of the past or is it yet future?
Selahsays is exactly right! The antichrist is not some flesh man. Flesh man cannot perform miracles and wanders, snapping his fingers and lightning strikes in the sight of men. If she want say, I will say if all those theologians and books you talk about say that antichrist is some flesh man, than yes they are all wrong and need to quit reading them.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
THE Antichrist is the son of perdition; there is only 1 son of perdition (to perish=sentenced to die). Only 1 mentioned by name to die and that is Satan! He is not a flesh man and never will be; he will come de-facto in person, in his created spiritual body.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He- 3 times for enthuses! The so called gap theory by scholars was originally 7 years (1 week) but CHRIST shortens to 5 months- {time of the locust}; time of locust in nature is May through September. 4 stages of the locust; we are in the consuming and last stage where all wealth and treasures are consumed. This leads the desolator coming in peaceably and prosperously taking over the 1 world-1st beast system in play giving him the means of putting a chicken in every pot and paying off your bills, thing is you have to bow to him to make it happen and it is only his to give for 5 months. The true MESSIAH never made man do anything he didn’t want to do, Satan does.
The first half at end of 5th trump Satan and fallen kicked out of heaven, he comes in secretly taking over the 1st beast system of the 1 world order that is close to being as writing, shortened to 2 and half months (75 days).
2nd half and 6th trump he makes himself known to the world coming in peaceably and prosperously paying off all those who bow and take the mark (2nd beast). The oblation and sacrifices stop because he claims to be the messiah to just worship him, it comes when he stands atop Mt of Olives just as CHRIST and all stop. He Comes in on 6th seal, 6th trump, and 6th vial=666.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
The 70 sevens of Dan.9:24-27 Begin with the Commencement of the rebuilding; began in 454BC where the evil doers were against Nehemiah and the workers and half on guard with weapons and half building with tools in a troubled time indeed.
Neh 4:16 And it came to pass from that time forth, that the half of my servants wrought in the work, and the other half of them held both the spears, the shields, and the bows, and the habergeons; and the rulers were behind all the house of Judah. Neh 4:17 They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
7 in Biblical numeric’s = Spiritual completeness. “The threescore and two sevens” (Dan9:26), or 434 years begin (or rather, fallow on) in 405BC and end in AD 29 the year of the Cross. The last seven is still future. The first 4 of the seven- sevens ended in 426 BC, marked by the decree of Cyrus, which ended the Babylonian Servitude of seventy years.
1st set of 7s} (7x7=49 years). 2nd set of 7s} 3 score (60) and 2 7's} 62 X 7= 434 years= from 405 BC to 29AD, cutting off of MESSIAH; this was 483 years from the issuing of the decree in 454 BC (49 + 434= 483)
The cutting off of MESSIAH is stated in verse: 26, is after the 62 weeks (62 X 7=434 years). 3rd set of 7s} is the last 7 years of antichrist, verse :27 of Dan.9
The year called 33AD is actually 29AD (crucifixion date) with a 4 year correction because of the use of Anno Domini-‘the year of our LORD’ (some confusion with bishops at the point and time of Mark. ) which comes to exactly 483 years Messiah was cut off from the decree of 454bc= 29ad.
I shortened as much as I dare; a long subject on such a platform.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
THE Antichrist is the son of perdition; there is only 1 son of perdition (to perish=sentenced to die). Only 1 mentioned by name to die and that is Satan! He is not a flesh man and never will be; he will come de-facto in person, in his created spiritual body.
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
He- 3 times for enthuses! The so called gap theory by scholars was originally 7 years (1 week) but CHRIST shortens to 5 months- {time of the locust}; time of locust in nature is May through September. 4 stages of the locust; we are in the consuming and last stage where all wealth and treasures are consumed. This leads the desolator coming in peaceably and prosperously taking over the 1 world-1st beast system in play giving him the means of putting a chicken in every pot and paying off your bills, thing is you have to bow to him to make it happen and it is only his to give for 5 months. The true MESSIAH never made man do anything he didn’t want to do, Satan does.
The first half at end of 5th trump Satan and fallen kicked out of heaven, he comes in secretly taking over the 1st beast system of the 1 world order that is close to being as writing, shortened to 2 and half months (75 days).
2nd half and 6th trump he makes himself known to the world coming in peaceably and prosperously paying off all those who bow and take the mark (2nd beast). The oblation and sacrifices stop because he claims to be the messiah to just worship him, it comes when he stands atop Mt of Olives just as CHRIST and all stop. He Comes in on 6th seal, 6th trump, and 6th vial=666.
Dan 9:25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
The 70 sevens of Dan.9:24-27 Begin with the Commencement of the rebuilding; began in 454BC where the evil doers were against Nehemiah and the workers and half on guard with weapons and half building with tools in a troubled time indeed.
Neh 4:16 And it came to pass from that time forth, that the half of my servants wrought in the work, and the other half of them held both the spears, the shields, and the bows, and the habergeons; and the rulers were behind all the house of Judah. Neh 4:17 They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded, every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon.
7 in Biblical numeric’s = Spiritual completeness. “The threescore and two sevens” (Dan9:26), or 434 years begin (or rather, fallow on) in 405BC and end in AD 29 the year of the Cross. The last seven is still future. The first 4 of the seven- sevens ended in 426 BC, marked by the decree of Cyrus, which ended the Babylonian Servitude of seventy years.
1st set of 7s} (7x7=49 years). 2nd set of 7s} 3 score (60) and 2 7's} 62 X 7= 434 years= from 405 BC to 29AD, cutting off of MESSIAH; this was 483 years from the issuing of the decree in 454 BC (49 + 434= 483)
The cutting off of MESSIAH is stated in verse: 26, is after the 62 weeks (62 X 7=434 years). 3rd set of 7s} is the last 7 years of antichrist, verse :27 of Dan.9
The year called 33AD is actually 29AD (crucifixion date) with a 4 year correction because of the use of Anno Domini-‘the year of our LORD’ (some confusion with bishops at the point and time of Mark. ) which comes to exactly 483 years Messiah was cut off from the decree of 454bc= 29ad.
I shortened as much as I dare; a long subject on such a platform.
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Not one thing you stated is correct
You said, "Not one thing (I) stated is correct."
So, you're saying the sacred vessels were not removed from Solomon's Temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 598 B.C.? Check 2 Chronicles 36:5-7.
And are you saying the Dome of the Rock was not completed in 692 A.D. at the top of God's holy Mountain, Mt. Moriah? Check your history books.
Are you saying the Dome of the Rock is not an abomination unto the Lord? You may not think it's an abomination, but the Lord does and so do I as do millions of others.
And are you saying 1290 years did not pass from the time the "Daily sacrifice was taken away in 598 B.C. until 692 A.D? It has!
Are you saying from the date 692 A.D. until 2027 A.D. 1335 years does not separate these two dates. Oh, by the way 2027 A.D. is exactly 2000 years after Jesus was baptized by John in 27 A.D.
I don't know, but that's an awful lot of coincidences, wouldn't you say?
Now you can apologize for your comment, "Not one thing (I) stated is correct."
So, you're saying the sacred vessels were not removed from Solomon's Temple by Nebuchadnezzar in 598 B.C.? Check 2 Chronicles 36:5-7.
And are you saying the Dome of the Rock was not completed in 692 A.D. at the top of God's holy Mountain, Mt. Moriah? Check your history books.
Are you saying the Dome of the Rock is not an abomination unto the Lord? You may not think it's an abomination, but the Lord does and so do I as do millions of others.
And are you saying 1290 years did not pass from the time the "Daily sacrifice was taken away in 598 B.C. until 692 A.D? It has!
Are you saying from the date 692 A.D. until 2027 A.D. 1335 years does not separate these two dates. Oh, by the way 2027 A.D. is exactly 2000 years after Jesus was baptized by John in 27 A.D.
I don't know, but that's an awful lot of coincidences, wouldn't you say?
Now you can apologize for your comment, "Not one thing (I) stated is correct."