10 Concise Reasons to Remember the Sabbath

[Studyman]

="posthuman, post: 3671350, member: 170505"]yeah anyone who wants to judge others over food, feasts, festivals and sabbaths really needs colossians 2 to say exactly the opposite of what it actually says. and they try.
and they need the believer to be under law, not grace. and they need something other than immersion into Christ's death to be the mechanism of salvation.

I'm not judging you over food or days. I'm pointing out that you preach things about God's Word which are FALSE. Like when the Word which became Flesh says "Holy" it really isn't Holy, but "Vain deceit" and Rudiments of the World".

Things like the Falsehood that the Pharisees were trying to follow God's Commandments, when Jesus, and His Prophet's and His Disciples teach just the opposite.

Things like "Rosh Chodesh" is a "Holy Day" and one of Christ's Feasts, like Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread.

and they need something other than immersion into Christ's death to be the mechanism of salvation

8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

It is the Life of Christ that made His Death Special. If you don't understand this, then you don't understand anything about Him.

1 John 2:
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. (Not in Death, but in Life)

imo they fear that grace leads to licentiousness, because they disbelieve the power of God to work in a person, so they feel that they need the threat of condemnation to coerce behaviour modification in order to forcibly produce fruit in a believer.
the desire to see righteous behaviour is good, but the means employed to that end deny the power and reality of the cross ((my opinion)) and puff up and destroy rather than edify.

certainly we should be spurring each other to good works but not at the expense of the truth of the gospel.

And what Good Works are there that were not created by God beforehand that we should walk in them?

 

[Studyman]

You should have read a little further on...

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Ro 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Gentiles are not under the law. The law was for Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Again,

This is Mainstream Preaching to be sure, but Paul is in no way saying Gentiles have another way to enter life than all mankind. Paul teaches ALL mankind are given instruction.

Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

A man that does this shall be considered circumcised, and the man that refuses to do this shall be considered uncircumcised whether he has foreskin or not.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision (Gentiles) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly (Obedient Gentile) and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

My Friend, just forget the religious doctrines we have been born into and really read what Paul is saying here.

Jew or Gentile, Circumcised, uncircumcised, none of this matters. Why? Paul already told us.

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

And in another place.

1 Cor. 7:
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Don't let the Works of the Levitical Priesthood for atonement of sins the Jews were still pushing on the Gentiles and Galatians confuse you. Jesus, as the Word, foretold of it's changing in Jer. 31.

I hope to have the discussion with you.

With His Love

Greg.

 

[beta]

tell me more about His benefits

why ? so you can pull wings off flies ?

 

[garee]

You should have read a little further on...

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Ro 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Gentiles are not under the law. The law was for Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The letter of the law that shows all men guilty is not limited to one nation .God is no respecter of persons.

 

[beta]

Do you realize that Gentiles were never under the law? Gentiles were never subject to the ten commandments.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Nobody is but the people of God and those who closely associate with them...like TURNING TO THE LORD !!! Would seem to be a ''requirement most fight against, reject or disagree with !!! therefore they make themselves 'lawless !!! won't go down well for them on judgement day !!! just saying......

 

[garee]

You should have read a little further on...

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

Ro 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Gentiles are not under the law. The law was for Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

What applies to the unbelieving gentile (no faith) the same applies to the unbelieving Jew.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

 

[notuptome]

Nobody is but the people of God and those who closely associate with them...like TURNING TO THE LORD !!! Would seem to be a ''requirement most fight against, reject or disagree with !!! therefore they make themselves 'lawless !!! won't go down well for them on judgement day !!! just saying......

Just saying that in Christ we have received the Spirit of adoption by which we cry Abba Father not the spirit of bondage which is under the law. It is Christ's righteousness imputed to us not any righteousness of our own.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

Again,

This is Mainstream Preaching to be sure, but Paul is in no way saying Gentiles have another way to enter life than all mankind. Paul teaches ALL mankind are given instruction.

Acts 26:
19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they (ALL) should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

A man that does this shall be considered circumcised, and the man that refuses to do this shall be considered uncircumcised whether he has foreskin or not.

25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

26 Therefore if the uncircumcision (Gentiles) keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly (Obedient Gentile) and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

My Friend, just forget the religious doctrines we have been born into and really read what Paul is saying here.

Jew or Gentile, Circumcised, uncircumcised, none of this matters. Why? Paul already told us.

9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

And in another place.

1 Cor. 7:
18 Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised.
19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Don't let the Works of the Levitical Priesthood for atonement of sins the Jews were still pushing on the Gentiles and Galatians confuse you. Jesus, as the Word, foretold of it's changing in Jer. 31.

I hope to have the discussion with you.

With His Love

Greg.

Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[beta]

Just saying that in Christ we have received the Spirit of adoption by which we cry Abba Father not the spirit of bondage which is under the law. It is Christ's righteousness imputed to us not any righteousness of our own.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Yes you are right....but would God adopt children who are lawless and have no intention of becoming obedient ? Heb 12. also 5v8,9.
The law I speak of are the Commandments which are spiritual and eternal, never a bondage or a burden....those Christ released us from.

 

[notuptome]

Yes you are right....but would God adopt children who are lawless and have no intention of becoming obedient ? Heb 12. also 5v8,9.
The law I speak of are the Commandments which are spiritual and eternal, never a bondage or a burden....those Christ released us from.

We were all aliens and at enmity with God before we were saved. No difference there between Israel and Gentile.

The law including the ten commandments were only able to show man his personal sin before God. Sin was present before the law the law only made sin manifest and Israel as Gods elect among the nations were responsible to tell the nations roundabout them of this condition.

Why would God save any?

Ps 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?

Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[7seasrekeyed]

yeah anyone who wants to judge others over food, feasts, festivals and sabbaths really needs colossians 2 to say exactly the opposite of what it actually says. and they try.
and they need the believer to be under law, not grace. and they need something other than immersion into Christ's death to be the mechanism of salvation.

imo they fear that grace leads to licentiousness, because they disbelieve the power of God to work in a person, so they feel that they need the threat of condemnation to coerce behaviour modification in order to forcibly produce fruit in a believer.
the desire to see righteous behaviour is good, but the means employed to that end deny the power and reality of the cross ((my opinion)) and puff up and destroy rather than edify.

certainly we should be spurring each other to good works but not at the expense of the truth of the gospel.

a number of us have brought up Colossians 2 and it gets turned inside out until it is no longer recognizable as actual scripture

you begin to understand the problem Jesus had...not to mention Paul

most people do not care to be forced and become resentful when forced. God has such a way of working in us by His Spirit, that sometimes we don't know how we ended up on the other side of what we once thought

that's God's grace!

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Yes you are right....but would God adopt children who are lawless and have no intention of becoming obedient ? Heb 12. also 5v8,9.
The law I speak of are the Commandments which are spiritual and eternal, never a bondage or a burden....those Christ released us from.

are you not familiar with the scripture that states that Jesus died for us while we were still sinners?

you folks have turned the entire perfect plan of God into an ineffectual work of the flesh

you state the law is spiritual however, why bother to keep the 4th physically if it is all spiritual?

not to mention the other 9

knock knock

enlightenment is calling

 

[7seasrekeyed]

why ? so you can pull wings off flies ?

how completely ridiculous

I'll say one thing for you folks

you are consistent in your ad hominem attacks which as most people know, reveal an inability to actually defend what you say from the Bible

yes...when you cannot answer truthfully or from scripture, just attack personally

IMO, that's pretty wicked and comes across as hateful

 

[7seasrekeyed]

The letter of the law that shows all men guilty is not limited to one nation .God is no respecter of persons.

which is why Christ died for ALL

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Nobody is but the people of God and those who closely associate with them...like TURNING TO THE LORD !!! Would seem to be a ''requirement most fight against, reject or disagree with !!! therefore they make themselves 'lawless !!! won't go down well for them on judgement day !!! just saying......

you quote scripture out of context and with no understanding

 

[7seasrekeyed]

What applies to the unbelieving gentile (no faith) the same applies to the unbelieving Jew.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

sorry

we are now in God's family and he considers us His sons and daughters

we are not of those who remain in darkness

God has not hid His face from me. perhaps you need to seek His face as well

 

[OstrichSmiling]

how completely ridiculous

I'll say one thing for you folks

you are consistent in your ad hominem attacks which as most people know, reveal an inability to actually defend what you say from the Bible

yes...when you cannot answer truthfully or from scripture, just attack personally

IMO, that's pretty wicked and comes across as hateful

Oh, dear soul, if there was ever a plank in your own eye in that post. You've just condemned your own posts if there is one wherein you behave as you describe and judge there of others. That offensive predisposition is why I find peace in not reading you anymore. But in this thread, I was led to show what you posted. And now I know why.
Thank you Lord.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Oh, dear soul, if there was ever a plank in your own eye in that post. You've just condemned your own posts if there is one wherein you behave as you describe and judge there of others. That offensive predisposition is why I find peace in not reading you anymore. But in this thread, I was led to show what you posted. And now I know why.
Thank you Lord.

hypocrisy that is described in the NT and the reason the religious hypocrites hated Jesus

ma'am, you are posturing yourself exactly as described

FYI...you are on ignore because your posts are an insult to Christ and those who believe in HIM

I was led to put you on ignore when you first joined and now I know why...actually saying "I was led" is religious speak of a variety I distain

I just read you right off the bat, knew what you stood for and put you on ignore

however, this op caught my interest so I took you off ignore, where you belong

you are a fine example of why Paul told some folks to go a little farther than simple circumcision

there comes a time to understand that trying to be honest in an exchange, even a heated one, is glorifying the opposite of what scripture says we should illustrate as Christians

you have met the quota

 

[OstrichSmiling]

Yes you are right....but would God adopt children who are lawless and have no intention of becoming obedient ? Heb 12. also 5v8,9.
The law I speak of are the Commandments which are spiritual and eternal, never a bondage or a burden....those Christ released us from.

Romans 3:31 .....'Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'

 

[7seasrekeyed]

ditto study

you have met the quota with spades