🌌 Jesus in the Stars? The Gospel Written Before the Bible ✝️

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Jun 18, 2025
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Hey brothers and sisters,
I recently came across something incredible I had to share with fellow believers: the idea that the Gospel message was declared in the heavens long before it was written in Scripture.

📖 “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.” — Psalm 19:1

This short video explains how ancient Hebrew star names and constellations may point to Christ — from Virgo (the Virgin) to Leo (the Lion of Judah).

It’s not astrology, it’s theology written in the stars.

đź”— Watch here:
🙏 Curious to hear your thoughts!

—Martin (aka Beyond & Within on YouTube)
 

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Dino246

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I haven’t seen this video, but I have heard this information from several sources. Unfortunately the original names of this most of the stars have been lost.
 
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The gospel message was indeed written in the stars for all the world to see. If you are interested in an in depth study of this subject,
get the book The Witness of the Stars by E.W. Bullinger who was a scholar of God's word. The book contains many diagrams and explanations of the constellations and has a constellation map showing the positions of all the constellations in the heavens. The story of Christ was told long ago in the heavens.
 
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Hey brothers and sisters,
I recently came across something incredible I had to share with fellow believers: the idea that the Gospel message was declared in the heavens long before it was written in Scripture.

📖 “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.” — Psalm 19:1

This short video explains how ancient Hebrew star names and constellations may point to Christ — from Virgo (the Virgin) to Leo (the Lion of Judah).

It’s not astrology, it’s theology written in the stars.

đź”— Watch here:
🙏 Curious to hear your thoughts!

—Martin (aka Beyond & Within on YouTube)
I don't recall anywhere in Scripture where we are told that the stars tell us of Jesus Christ and His gospel. Indeed, God sent a special star to tell the wise men of the Saviour's birth - they didn't fid out by looking at the stars. Certainly we are told in Scripture that the heavens (not just the stars) declare God's glory. What they don't do is tell us anything about sin and the need for salvation, and that need met only in the Lord Jesus Christ. It's noteworthy that none of the apostles told their hearers to look at the stars for confirmation of the truth of the gospel.
 
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I don't recall anywhere in Scripture where we are told that the stars tell us of Jesus Christ and His gospel. Indeed, God sent a special star to tell the wise men of the Saviour's birth - they didn't fid out by looking at the stars. Certainly we are told in Scripture that the heavens (not just the stars) declare God's glory. What they don't do is tell us anything about sin and the need for salvation, and that need met only in the Lord Jesus Christ. It's noteworthy that none of the apostles told their hearers to look at the stars for confirmation of the truth of the gospel.
True, but Paul told his readers to look at the Gospel for confirmation of God's power and (moral) nature revealed by creation (Rom. 1:20).
 
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True, but Paul told his readers to look at the Gospel for confirmation of God's power and nature revealed by creation (Rom. 1:20).
Yes, that is surely the correct way round.

“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” (Ro 1:20 NKJV)

God's eternal power and Godhead can be seen and understood through His Creation, including the stars. Jesus Christ as the Way the Truth and the Life is nt seen through looking into the sky.
 

PennEd

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Hey brothers and sisters,
I recently came across something incredible I had to share with fellow believers: the idea that the Gospel message was declared in the heavens long before it was written in Scripture.

📖 “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.” — Psalm 19:1

This short video explains how ancient Hebrew star names and constellations may point to Christ — from Virgo (the Virgin) to Leo (the Lion of Judah).

It’s not astrology, it’s theology written in the stars.

đź”— Watch here:
🙏 Curious to hear your thoughts!

—Martin (aka Beyond & Within on YouTube)
Yes. The Gospel is even in the stars.
We have corrupted it, like everything else we touch, and call it the zodiac.

The Lord calls it the Mazzaroth.
Job 38
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
 
Feb 21, 2025
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Yes. The Gospel is even in the stars.
We have corrupted it, like everything else we touch, and call it the zodiac.

The Lord calls it the Mazzaroth.
Job 38
32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?
But when God said to Job:

“Can you bring out Mazzaroth in its season? Or can you guide the Great Bear with its cubs?” (Job 38:32 NKJV)

where does He say that those words are the gospel?
 
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Yes. The Gospel is even in the stars.
I believe this as well and I believe God provided this so that parents could teach their children before He gave the written word.

And, yes, as you stated ... this wonderful truth has been corrupted to current astrology.
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Jer 10:1 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

This does not mean that the Gospel is written in the stars but testifies there is a higher power that created the heavens.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Creation testifies there is a God and of His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing and shelter and testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people so they are without excuse.
 
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IMO the zodiac was created by Adam and sons to convey the gospel in a format that would survive the flood. Noah and Shem likely taught it to Abraham during his time in Haran, as they had concurrent lifespans. That would explain his tremendous faith and knowledge of Christ. Jewish tradition teaches that Abraham learned in the school of Shem. After Abraham there was no longer need for it and now only remnants of it remain.

In addition to the Bullinger book, The Gospel in the Stars by Jospeh Seiss was written about the same time period; one author was in Britain, the other in the US. They based their work on the writings called Mazzaroth by some woman who pioneered the study (I forget her name).
 
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IMO the zodiac was created by Adam and sons to convey the gospel in a format that would survive the flood. Noah and Shem likely taught it to Abraham during his time in Haran, as they had concurrent lifespans. That would explain his tremendous faith and knowledge of Christ. Jewish tradition teaches that Abraham learned in the school of Shem. After Abraham there was no longer need for it and now only remnants of it remain.

In addition to the Bullinger book, The Gospel in the Stars by Jospeh Seiss was written about the same time period; one author was in Britain, the other in the US. They based their work on the writings called Mazzaroth by some woman who pioneered the study (I forget her name).
Frances Rolleston was the woman who pioneered the study of Mazzaroth. She spent 50 years researching and writing
about it in her book, "Mazzaroth". The work builds upon existing research from E.W. Bullinger. I did a search for her name :D

Welcome back!
 
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Yes, that is surely the correct way round.

“For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,” (Ro 1:20 NKJV)

God's eternal power and Godhead can be seen and understood through His Creation, including the stars. Jesus Christ as the Way the Truth and the Life is nt seen through looking into the sky.
That is true creation testifies there is a God but it does not teach the Gospel of Christ.

Creation does not testify of the God of Israel if you have not heard of Him but it testifies there is a higher power that created all things.

Although by creation understanding the 2 greatest laws when people find out about the God of Israel they might believe it is Him because He teaches that.

God's word testifies of the God of Israel and the Gospel of Christ.

Creation testifies there is a God and of His attributes which one of them is love for He provided food, and the means to make clothing, and shelter, and if He loves people then people should do the same which testifies of the 2 greatest laws love God, and love people so they are without excuse.

Creation alone will judge people because of the testimony of a God and the 2 greatest laws and how the people that did not hear about the word of God and Jesus will be judged along with their conscious.

Psa 19:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

This says they show the creative ability of God and He is great which is the same as creation testifies of a God so how do they get the Gospel from this.

I know people love Jesus and they want to believe it and say look it can be proven by this, and that, but these people will get carried away with it and they will believe non Biblical writings, and physical objects saying it testifies of the truth.

From now on when people say sir can you tell me about the Gospel I will say look at the stars for they will tell you so stop bothering me.

They will tell you of your sins, your need for a savior, that Jesus came to save you, and resurrected, and you can too.

So grab a soda and some popcorn and plant a chair and watch the sky as it unfolds the Gospel of Christ right before your eyes.
 
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Hey brothers and sisters,
I recently came across something incredible I had to share with fellow believers: the idea that the Gospel message was declared in the heavens long before it was written in Scripture.

📖 “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands.” — Psalm 19:1

This short video explains how ancient Hebrew star names and constellations may point to Christ — from Virgo (the Virgin) to Leo (the Lion of Judah).

It’s not astrology, it’s theology written in the stars.

đź”— Watch here:
🙏 Curious to hear your thoughts!

—Martin (aka Beyond & Within on YouTube)
Thanks BeyondWithin, for your interest in Psalm 19. In my opinion, the 'heavens' being described are the people of God. The Bible tells us the definition of 'heaven' and it is not necessarily sounding to me like the final definition is outer space and so forth. The Bible says: "Heaven is my throne ". And who is on the throne in the Bible? Jesus for one. Of course, concerning the true believers we read: " hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: " Indeed, the term 'heavens' is used for believers, when we read that God gathers the elect from one end of the group of believers to the other: "from one end of heaven to the other. " So, why is the term 'firmament' used in Psalm 19 then? Well, we read about the firmament in Genesis. We read: "And God called the firmament Heaven " So, firmament is just another term for heaven. And heaven is God's throne. Indeed, anywhere where God is on the throne, so to speak, in a person's heart, we will find the true believers declaring the glory of God. Not at all that I am against the awe of looking up at the stars and thinking about God and his greatness. Indeed, Abraham was told that his seed (Jesus) would be likened to the stars. But we must remember that Jesus is called the daystar. If that was only referring to the physical sun, then how would he arise in people's hearts: "as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts ".

"The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. "