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1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Is it past or not? There will be no fruit in discussing Christian doctrine with a non-Christian. So I must know

I can and I have explained it. This generation meaning the generation that sees all these things listed occuring. You can keep high horsing but Christianity believes Jesus returns and resurrection is future. Even the amillenniallists believe that much!

Wait, you deny that the rapture is future? pre-mid or post? That means you are not a Christian. The rapture IS the resurrection. Same event, same time. Dead in Christ rise first. If you deny the rapture is future you deny the resurrection is future 2000 years plus, yup. Keep mocking it: 2...

No heaven and earth is heaven and earth. Its not an idiom at all to talk about a mosaic age. Revelation 21:1,3 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and...

Yup, really easy. You break it too, if you used this type of method for interpreting the Bible you would no longer even preach the gospel. Lets apply the consistent preterist method here: - The great commission was never given to you, it was given to the apostles only, remember as you said...

Easy debate against Don Preston. Light work. The preterist case is very very easy to defeat, both partial and full, they use the same arguments, the only difference is that the partial preterist is inconsistent. The Partial-preterist somehow sees Matthew 24:31 as past, yet 1 Thessalonians...

Now we know where you get all your confusion from. "Pastor Miano". I googled the poor lad and he seems to be a FULL preterist? Is that correct or am I misunderstanding his position? If he is indeed a full preterist he is NOT a Christian and is a heretic. Oh the guy seems to reject water...

And it is a bit unfair to think that Israel has been scattered, yet all the gathering promises refer to the gentiles who have not been scattered? Replacement theology is terrible.

Total confusion. The palestinians are of Ishmael. Everyone knows this, including the muslims themselves.

I agree. But spiritual does not mean never happens. There are lots of symbols in the Bible, like the dreams Joseph had, or the revelation John had, most of the symbols are interpreted within the book themselves.

Yes its clear. No debate, no mystery. The only debate comes from the people who refuse to accept what the Bible teaches for some reason or the other. It has nothing to do with race or racism, it has to do with God being faithful to His word

Yes indeed! Imagine the faith the people before 1948 had who believed it will be fulfilled literally? Goes to show you, no matter how impossible the circumstances may seem, God's word will never return empty, it will accomplish its purpose. Hallelujah

No debate the context is clear, read verse 9 and onwards, never happened before stuff all the way through. "9 The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name. 12 This is the plague with which the Lord will strike all the nations that...

How is Zechariah 14 not proof of it? Exegete the verses then.

Because for Zechariah 14 to be fulfilled, there needs to be jews present: 1A day of the Lord is coming, Jerusalem, when your possessions will be plundered and divided up within your very walls. 2 I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the...

You do indeed! And you will inherit the land, and not just the land but the entire earth in the resurrection!!!

Those of you who are against the state of Israel, have you considered the fact that without jews present in Jerusalem, Jesus could not return? Zechariah 14 talks about the Lord returning and the Jews are there. Which means that in order for Zechariah to be fulfilled, they must be in...

But sacrifices did not cease 3,5 years into his ministry. They continued on for like 40 more years.

Lets read it together: Daniel 9: 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to...

These are the proof texts used. In contrast there are a lot of verses that state very specific things involving the wills of man that Jesus predicted. For example Peter denying Him thrice before the cock crows.