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I think we've already been given a sneak peek of the message...

And for good reason.

I'm afraid I have no idea what you mean?

Please expand, I don't fully understand what you mean or how it relates to my question in the original post. Avoiding writing the whole thing in capitals makes it easier on the eye too.

The part I disagree with, if you will, is that I have not asked for anybody to define free will for me.

Sorry to hear that. I hope that with support and guidance you will be able to remove that disease from your life. God bless.

I don't think you've appreciated the depth of my question.

I know this thread has turned into a massive rant about Hillsong. I can be blamed for that. No bad thing, mind. Of course there are other similar "Churches", for instance C3.

This has nothing to do with my question, so I'm respectfully not going to address it. Nothin personal, just that I'm trying to keep the thread relevant rather than allow it to go off on several unrelated tangents

It's far more complex than that. Your decision to touch your head with your hand was the result of electrical and chemical reactions in your brain: the movement of particles. If the position and momentum of every particle was known at the time of the big bang, then the motion of the...

Agree. I have stopped engaging with the particular member. If you click their name you can choose to ignore them, then you won't see any more of their posts.

Yes it is circular. I've asked whether knowledge of every particle's position and momentum at the point of the big bang would undermine free will and you've simply asserted that love is a result of free will and therefore what I ask cannot be true. If you want to assert that love is a result...

Not quite. Determinism was, basically, Einstein's rejection of the probabilistic nature of quantum theory proposed by others. The reason that quantum theory is not deterministic is due to Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. However Heinseberg does not say that a particle does not have a...

Hillsong is another one of these so called "Churches" that cherry picks verses and twists them to suit their agenda, which is basically to milk people.

The thing that was frustrating for me when I was a Hillsong CUSTOMER, is that the same people who allowed others to think for them in a "Church" setting were quite sharp and switched on in every other aspect of their life.

To the question, of course.

No. You've been manipulated. See my attachment.

Church in Acts: "Jesus in Lord" Hillsong: "God is telling you, through me, to give me your money" :unsure:

Here are the facts, attached. I know @Dino246 has seen this before.

And another, one only needs to do a simple Google search "A heavily marketed corporate entity pretending to be a Church" http://www.piratechristian.com/messedupchurch/tag/Hillsong+Church