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Are you a teacher? How do you open up someone inside their own assumptions?

Simply answer the question I asked.

All without asking anything about biblical doctrine.

I asked you a question already: what was true of man before the fall that wasn't true after the fall?

You are the one dealing in tradition. I'm trying to deal with doctrine. I have pleaded with you to discuss the Bible. Your only interest is Calvin.

So why do you care what is in TULIP? Why do you concern yourself with it? Why do you ask about it?

My beliefs have nothing to do with TULIP. You have characterized them as so, however. It's incumbent on you to then show my beliefs. As you don't know what I actually believe and why, you cannot do so. Yet you still use the pejorative TULIP, which I purposefully distance myself from for the...

Why do you concern yourself with TULIP? Study scripture.

I I have no comments on TULIP. If you want to understand my position, I'm glad to show it to you. As is, you falsely characterize a position you do not understand and don't seem willing to understand. You seem to allow free thought for yourself, but others must fit into a paradigm. If you ever...

Ask those who use the acronym.

As you know, I don't subscribe to TULIP; thus, beginning with TULIP is not helpful. Beginning with what was true of man before sin and after sin is the place to start. As it is these differences which are germane to understanding what is true of man in the here and now, exploring what changed in...

And this is why nothing ever changes. People make broad statements, and when clarity is offered, people run away no clearer on what another believes and why, and still continue to make sweeping statements without any understanding. If you aren't part of the solution, you are simply contributing...

The heart certainly is germane to the topic. Why?

This is the error in your thinking. I don't look at TULIP and find agreement or disagreement. I look to scripture for truth.

Really? What do I believe about the depravity of man?

I don't subscribe to TULIP, despite the many claims people make. Like you, I consider scripture and come to an understanding. I'm amazed that so many who claim an independent study of God's word find it unreasonable that others have the same practice.

You and I.

I doubt we have the same understanding of depravity to begin with. And if you base it off a post dealing with reading comprehension, you will only further misunderstand. I'm all for jesting. Sometimes find it quite witty. I was simply objecting to the misrepresentation of my words.

If you had bothered to read the entire post with understanding, you would have known from the context that it had nothing to do with what @Rufus posted. While the language was similar, I wasn't speaking about spiritual understanding, but reading comprehension. So please, post my entire posts if...

It's exactly what I wrote. Your reading comprehension is very low. Read again slowly...mind and heart restored and CONSEQUENTLY the will. That word consequently means as a result of; hence, the restoration of the heart and mind result in the restoration of the will.