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The Greek tense for "hath" is the present tense which means ongoing continuous action in present time. It is not a past tense verb in spite of what the tense is in the KJV.

So what if Mark 13:13 just means exactly what it says? He that endures unto the end will be saved

Interesting. And you might be right. I do not know and have not followed the author of this thread previously. I am just taking at face value what I see him writing and think he has some important things to say. I think "hyper-grace" teaching is more teaching that says it is just OK to keep...

Paul was like all of us and at times committed sins -- wrong acts and deeds -- in his flesh. Thus he was like all of us a "sinner" in the flesh. But, it is also true that no sin will get into heaven. All the sins that we commit as believers are forgiven through the blood of Christ. Thus...

All Christians may sin, and as such anyone who commits sin can be called a sinner. This is on the level of our flesh. But when we are born again at the spirit level, we are changed into a new person and become a saint rather than a sinner.

Does Mission Impossible say this: that a born again person is literally Jesus Christ? If so, can you refer to that particular post?

I have a bit of an interest in Greek myself - and have been teaching it at the college level for 25 years . . .

Yah, I doubt too that Jesus meant that 4 legged bleating kind! LOL! When you say: So v.27 is about what believers DO or ought to do. It isn't a condition for receiving eternal life. In fact, Jesus begins with "My sheep", meaning they are already saved and already have eternal life. So...

(1) I really have no comment on your references to Acts 16:31 and the aorist tense and its meaning, etc. That would be and is a very valid and interesting study. I in this discussion was only looking at John 10: 27,28 (2) You said "YEP" to my comment that We differ on how we interpret the...

If you want to add the word "believers" in parentheses, I suppose you may - I am not sure why that is necessary. John could have used the word "believers" if he had wanted to - but by divine inspiration it was "sheep" and then he used Greek pronouns after that. Hence when I study the passage...

I based my interpretation (and I admit it is my interpretation) on the Greek present tense that is used here. The normal rendering for the present tense is continuous, ongoing action - thus = and I am giving to them eternal life. Your interpretation could also probably be a possibility based...

Now we are getting somewhere. I think we agree on two things that the text says: (1) The sheep are hearing Jesus and are following Him (2) These sheep (that are hearing and following him) are being given eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one can pluck them out of the Father's...

I didn't say hearing and following is a requirement for receiving eternal life. Verse 27 doesn't make any kind of conditions that I can see? So we agree that the text says that the sheep are hearing Jesus and are following Him. Now another question: Does the text say that these sheep (that...

John 10:27,28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand Does the text say that the sheep are hearing and are following Jesus?

I will just stick to what the text says: John 10:27,28 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. For myself, I know that I am a sheep of Jesus! Amen and thank...

John 10:28 does not say "the recipients of eternal life shall never perish." It says "they shall never perish". Your interpretation of they is that it is "the recipients of eternal life." My interpretation of they is that it is "my sheep". Our argument is over our interpretations of the...

John 10:27, 28 actually say this: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: and I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand

Hmmmm?!! Interesting what I get accused of believing and not believing . . . I think there is a verse that talks about falling from grace, isn't there? “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace” (Galatians 5:4) Well...

The promise of eternal life and that you will "never die" is to the sheep who are hearing and following. No goat who is not believing has eternal life! My faith is in God - I think I have said that several times . . .

Well, now I didn't say my whole belief structure is based on one verse! LOL! But I do believe every verse.