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I believe that was Chapter 6 of Reading the Bible for All It's Worth. And the book of judges, of course.

Interesting. I admit, I lack understanding of what you just said; probably because I'm jumping in the middle of the conversation. Are you saying that Revelation 14 says the 24 elders are redeemed, and that angels and/or heavenly beings cannot be redeemed, therefore pre-trib has to be true...

Possibly, about as well as applying Gematria to the Hebrew Bible. Which is not well.

Irony: Gordon Lee actually thinks laying out the fleece is an example of Gideon's LACK of faith in God. He believes God delivered the Israelites in spite of Gideon's lack of faith, and that if we read Gideon's story and think the narrative tells us that we should lay out the fleece for God...

But that puts you in the same camp as the people who claim that denying the Pre-Trib Rapture is the same as denying the Rapture altogether. You're equating timing to non-existence.

I don't think it's an "instead of". Christ was born into a sociological and political setting. You have Greek, Roman, Jewish, Egyptian, Persian influences all around. Even the word "Gospel" predates Christ. That has Roman origins: the Roman emperor wanted to spread the "good news" to...

Okay... Then just to be clear, you're being a jerk.

My contribution to this thread: before Christ, Plato wrote a treatise on the Tripartite Theory of man's soul. In other words, in GREEK philosophy which predated Christianity, doctrine circulated around the Mediterranean that MAN was composed of three parts (e.g. mind, body, and soul). In...

Once I begin the actual Revelation part, it makes perfect logical sense to begin with the 7 churches. It's the easiest to interpret, and besides, it's first in the book. There is some study in hermeneutics about how some books--including some of John's books--are part epistle, and part...

No. Hermeneutics study is the more important thing. I'm making a priority call.

Jesus did say we need to have extra oil in our lamps for when the bridegroom comes.

Even full preterists believe in the rapture/harpazo/parousia. They just believe it happened in the 1st century AD.

Incidentally, Gordon Lee's book DOES use the word hermeneutics sometimes, although not very often. I do think his book is a little technical as well, since he is constantly embedding scriptural references in his text. Ironically, he suggests removing all the chapter-and-verse numbers out of...

Subsequent to this, my brief plan on going over hermeneutics: 1. What are hermeneutics, exegesis, and eigesis? 2. Why are we even going over these big words that are not even in the Bible? 3. How is it that everybody reads the same Bible, yet everybody reads different things from it...

OR...it requires an act of cleansing from Christ. Isaiah and Ezekiel all experienced the same thing. The disciples had their feet washed. I pray for forgiveness at every communion. Remove whatever keeps me from being worthy of partaking.

I'm in the middle of preparing my Revelation study. I have time--my group is in the middle of another series. I get the next series. In the meantime, it seems people's interest in Revelation is waning somewhat. When the Covid crisis first hit and the grocery store shelves were all empty...

A lot of this discussion is predicated on what you consider "love" to be. I got more insight into this topic the hard way, at a very difficult point in my life. I was breaking up with my girlfriend. The thought crossed my mind to say, "I love you". And even, "I'm breaking up with you...

The exact manner and order in which those who died before us, those who died in the Tribulation, and those still alive all the way up to the Rapture is somewhat immaterial. It is something that, to be honest, we don't know. Nor do we need to know, really. The Great Commission is what it is...

The biggest reason I have not dove deeper into my own interpretation of these passages in Peter is, it is doubtful it even applies to us. So...what happens to those in the OT...of faith and not of faith...after they and Jesus died? Doesn't really matter to us--no one from the OT is around...

I spoke to my church about this passage before. I think the "unworthy manner" of taking communion was referring specifically with Judas Iscariot in mind. Paul (the writer of I Corinthians) was not physically there in the upper room when the original Last Supper occurred, so he would have heard...