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  1. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    I generally agree with that. We are saved if we turn away from evil ways and choose to embrace only our good nature.
  2. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    Macabeus and Adam4Eve are correct. The question is, if Jesus fulfilled all of of the Law, then what is our role? It can't be that it's enough to just accept Jesus into your heart and confess him as Lord. Surely repenting and turning your thoughts and actions toward loving thoughts and actions...
  3. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    Whoa - don't get ahead of yourself. Christ set the Jews free from obeying the 613 laws. He didn't set us free from obeying his commandments. Jesus makes it very clear that we must obey him to go to heaven. And I think this makes something clear - obeying Jesus is just like obeying the 613...
  4. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    I don't know about that philosophy. Where in the Bible does it say that everything should come automatically? The way I've read the Bible it seems like remaining in Christ comes from making an effort to obey him.
  5. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    I think this is where things become unclear. It's true that remaining in Christ causes one to walk in the Spirit and produce good fruit. But how do you remain in Christ, just by accepting Christ into your heart? I think that John 15 gives us some of the answer: 5 “Yes, I am the vine; you are...
  6. J

    Repentance

    Okay, it's clear that Paul was making the point that the law increases your carnal desires. But he didn't mean that the law increases sin here. There's a fine distinction. 8 "But sin used this command to arouse all kinds of covetous desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have...
  7. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    I'll say this again like I've said it before. Righteousness doesn't come by the law because righteousness only lies in following the whole law and it is impossible to do the whole law. You are still righteous if you follow the law to the best of your ability. It doesn't save you on its own, but...
  8. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    See, I think this is where modern day Christians get it wrong. I think that Jesus does give us the ability to fulfill the moral law, but that it's ultimately our decision to fulfill the moral law on our own. I think that we still have to make the decision to follow the basic moral laws like not...
  9. J

    Repentance

    The first point I'll answer is that God did give us the law for Israel to try to keep. Otherwise he wouldn't have been justified in killing Israel for disobedience. The second point I'll make is that it isn't clear what Paul was saying. He said that the law gives sin its power. But it isn't...
  10. J

    Repentance

    It is difficult to keep the 10 commandments. Everybody should try to keep them. It doesn't have much of an impact on the rest my life. I try to keep them, even the Sabbath commandment. The sabbath commandment does conflict with work. The hardest part of keeping the commandments is probably not...
  11. J

    Repentance

    That's a good point. You're sort of right. But I was referring to the Mosaic law and all of its 613 commandments, not just the simple handful of sins that churches talk about. You're right as far as those laws go.
  12. J

    Repentance

    I think a big factor in our disagreement is the different material that I've read. In addition to the Bible I have also researched a ton of other material including many Youtube videos and comments covering this topic, revelations from God on YouTube, Near Death Experiences describing...
  13. J

    Repentance

    Another point I'd like to bring up is this notion that the law is supposed to bring you to Christ. How incorrect is that today, where most people know about Christ but almost nobody knows about the Mosaic law? The law brought Israel to Christ. That doesn't apply to the people of today. Just a...
  14. J

    Repentance

    Then we simply disagree. Sorry. I don't think you understood that passage correctly either.
  15. J

    Repentance

    That's one of the more difficult passages to understand. In my opinion it basically means that in Moses' day people could not understand the point of the law. Only Christians can see the purpose of the law, which is of course, love.
  16. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    Hey, Adam4Eve. I think you're better off giving to the homeless and needy. God appreciates that more than church donations. Christians are "required" to give. I say "required" because technically there's a gray area. At minimum, we have to repent to go to heaven. But scripture does state that...
  17. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    This is what I meant when I said earlier that there's no point talking to you. I already knew that you would never change your mind in a million years. So I'm not surprised either. I doubt you will ever see the truth. I hope you find the real Jesus one day. I don't think you ever will.
  18. J

    Repentance

    I only presented a dichotomy to make it clear. Your reasoning process justifies the wanton sinner who believes in Jesus but murders and eats babies. There is clearly. Some. Line. That you cross where you sin too much to go to heaven. That line is somewhere near the 10 Commandments.
  19. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    It certainly isn't dangerous. How much of the Bible have you read? All of it? I have.. That verse is talking about people who rely on the law to justify them. You are cursed if you rely on the law alone to go to heaven because you must keep the whole law to do so and that is impossible. Enough...
  20. J

    Not only are we not under the law, we should not try to abide by it.

    Too much text to respond to. I'll just say this. Jesus said, "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” Why would he call sinners to repent if all you had to do was believe in his sacrifice? Does Jesus tell the truth or not? Clearly your (apparent) belief that repenting...