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a knowledge of history is very valuable. the finest Pelagianism is semi Pelagianism, to which Pelagius turned after he was confronted by bishops in Jerusalem. but it's still Pelagianism, and still error.

sorry, who? did you read Augustine yet? it's really interesting. he goes on for pages and pages vehemently arguing free will exists, from scripture. Augustine - On Grace and Free Will i would like to discuss it. it's useful to actually know the origins of Calvin's thinking on these subjects...

your argument has been that because 1 Timothy 2:3-4 tells us God desires all to be saved, that He must therefore enable us to do the first two things - to reach out to Him while we are dead ((Eph. 2)), and to love Him while we hate Him and are enemies of Him ((Rom. 1-2)) why did you change your...

Pelagianism at its finest. my question is did you know you are preaching Pelagius or is this just what your own influences taught you?

Romans 9 is not talking about the setting up and tearing down of earthly kingdoms. it's talking about salvation, how it must be, how it is, how it works and how to live in it. just like Romans 1-8 and Romans 10-16 are. Romans 9 is not out by itself in left field completely unrelated to the rest...

what i have done is make it plain that "free" needs to be carefully defined before anyone starts making claims about free will.

why should i read Rufus before judging him, if you won't read Augustine before judging him?

are you uninfluenced by anything? but because someone told you Augustine was influenced, you refuse to hear him? we should not judge someone without hearing them - and seeing that this brother of ours was highly regarded in his time by the church, it doesn't seem right to me to take someone...

it's easy to accuse people. how about we read what he had to say and evaluate that on its own merits? On Grace and Free Will - Augustine "But since there are some persons who so defend God's grace as to deny man's free will, or who suppose that free will is denied when grace is defended.."...

you agree it's constrained by nature, then? good, we can move on to talking about that nature.

he also says our will is not completely free, and it's hypercalvinism, not reformed theology, that he spent all that time railing against. he's not pelagian - - there's a ditch on both sides of the road

exactly how different is clinging to God and loving Him while we are dead and we hate Him, from sprouting wings and flying, or turning ourselves into new creations? ((Romans 1:30/2:1, Ephesians 2:1, etc))

so why does it "not depend on man's desire or effort" ((Rom. 9:16))? you've got the effort part explained, but what about the desire ((will)) part?

yes showing that "free will" is not completely "free" - - nature constrains it.

why do you keep quoting the Bible, when your argument is that you don't believe the Bible?

you're saying the scripture is not inspired by God?

BTW if this is how it was done, you'd probably also get a suspiciously European looking corpse, because it would have been done for a specifically European audience and most likely accomplished in an European country, where people with this kind of skill and know-how lived, and your access to a...

one thing i've learned recently from church history courses, is that every catholic altar must contain a relic of some kind. this is because of their belief in transubstantiation. their tradition ((and i doubt every catholic believes this, that they even know it - so don't go around beating...

by soaking the cloth in silver oxide and then exposing it to light through a pinhole, on the other side of which is an actual corpse. you'd get a reversed, negative image, just like photo film. like a primitive camera - - all of which techniques were known ((and kept by guilds)) in the...

you're saying now the Torah isn't perfect but the tablets are?