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it does not say, 'He chose a set of parameters that some people may or not satisfy' it says "He chose us" Jesus did not say 'many are called but few turn out to meet the specifications' He said "many are called but few are chosen"

the text says He chose "us" Ephesians 1:4-6 He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, to the praise of the...

did you have an alternative view or do you just hate the right one..? :coffee::unsure:

have you ever heard of JESUS OF NAZARETH...?

hmmm Micah 4:4 But everyone shall sit under his vine and under his fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid; For the mouth of the LORD of hosts has spoken. not super comforting for God to promise the rest under a tree that has never bor fruit, ever, nor ever, is it...?

it is good you get to see some discussion, in addition to the answer :)

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

we need one that is both likened to a fig tree, and also cursed, for not bringing forth fruit both in and out of season. it's not enough to find a verse that doesn't immediately look like it has reference to Israel (y)

friend, i did not say Israel is forsaken. i said the fig tree is symbolic of Israel. that point, you have provided no evidence contrary to. and that they were cursed? perhaps you have never read of mount Ebal? please see Deuteronomy 27. Mark 11 is the fulfilling of prophecy. you don't seem to...

sound advice: think before you post. Hosea 9:10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstfruits on the fig tree in its first season. ... ask me how i know, lol

alternate thread title: why do we woo?

((i am not yet convinced this is valid, if you ain't noticed, ha!))

we hear this all the time. it's a constant refrain in theology when we try to understand how human and divine will interact. it's stated by Christians every day as though it is an unassailable fact that should end every argument. ... but where is this in scripture? ... where is it in our daily...

yes that's the point. you aren't the center, i am not the center, the apostles are not the center, some famous preacher is not the center, @PaulThomson is not the center, human logic is not the center. Jesus Christ is. all things are by Him, for Him, and through Him.

how many witnesses do you need? while you can give zero that say you chose Him while you were dead and an alie Ln and stranger to Him. that, in fact, is human philosophy, which holds its own will sacrosanct, allowing no room for God to exert His. how about let scripture inform us? 1 Peter 2:9...

are you saying you are not His disciple?

Who does scripture say will do these things? HIM not us!

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. it does not mean God has failed if you are not doing this. it means you are failing to dwell in Him - - now but we have an unquestionable promise from...

have faith!! He will do all His will

are you letting scripture define this, or instead what seems best to human philosophy? John 15:16 You did not choose Me, but I chose you and appointed you Ephesians says He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, before time began, before we were even created. and that is...