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if we are not free from the penalty of sin, we are still dead where we stand, and need born again if we are free from the penalty of sin, we have been given the power to be free from the presence of sin.. But that takes some growth in Christ. it does not happen overnight.

Sorry bro. But this is way out there if You are going to tell me you have confident assurance in someone, You trust them, you are confident in them, yet your NEVER going to do anything they ask. or try to resemble them in any way? I am not buying it. No one should. you should not either...

No we do not agree. Not even close. You resemble a pharisee. a modern day jew who inserts works into grace making grace null and void. I am more like the tax collector. not even able to look up. crying out for Gods mercy.

Again, you have it backwards. A dead faith would be void of works. they do nto work because they do nto have faith. No. I teach we are saved by grace through faith (NOT WORKS) and that those saved WILL WORK. for salvation faith plus works = works once again, you can not deny you teach...

faith plus works = works do not claim you do not teach we are saved by works. whgen you claim we are saved by works, even if you add faith to the question. it is still by works

what do you think of Ez 37? I love the OT also. especially prophecy

See. thats why I can not have a conversation with you. You continue to see what you want to see and try to insert that into our discussions. No. We both can not be right. means that maybe one of is is right, Maybe we both are wrong (and there is actually another truth we are not seeing)...

my only point was that there was only 1 not both could be right. so if you agreed, you should have left it at that. I never made any mention or comment about which of us were right., nor did i discuss that. I did not ignore your point.

what are you trying to prove? My statement that there is only one gospel is confirmed If your trying to argue against that then please stop. you have no argument.

Gal 1: 6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different (Heteron - Another one of two) gospel, 7 which is not another (Allo - another, one besides, another kind) ; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert (Metastrepsai - to...

I am a brother.. Do you have a specific topic of the word you like to talk about?

there is on gospel my friend.. We both can not be right,.

he was definatly phony!..lool

I still miss them, I do not see many threads here I am drawn to anymore. sadly Thats why I do not post much

Yeah, I forgot about alot of them.. so many were banned, it changed this chatroom. I actually ended up leaving myself not long after.

I think I went with him once before and backed off. I will do it again

salvation can not be lost. as it can not be earned sour 16 (whatever this is) does not disprove this biblical fact.

Um no I was given eternal life. and Gods promise I will never perish,, yes my life here on earth is conditional based on what I do.. But my eternity is secure.. I am confident of this very thing, that he who began a good work will complete it. I am sorry if you are not confident in that

then we have conditional life. not eternal life in fact. everythign Jesus said in john 1, john 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6 is nonsensical. because non of it matters. you want to try to merit salvation, i guess feel free. i will keep my faith in God not self. I will never meet Gods standard...

You have yet to show me a verse that shows me God will not keep his promise I do not know who or what GW is.. so it has no bearing on anything i see I look to the word. Not men