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I assume you're talking about John being alive in the 90s and writing the book of Revelation at that time. regarding the statement about the successions of the bishops. do you accept that as well?

I've noticed that sometimes people will adopt an "all or nothing" style of thinking. that thinking leads to the conclusion that a person must worship God completely and with full knowledge or that person is worshiping a false god. sometimes a person engaged in this style of thinking perceives...

I didn't say that, I said that I think Muslims think that they worship the true God. like you said, we have to calculate the end result, not interprate letter by letter.

That's interesting, where did you read that?

that's interesting, I didn't know that. isn't there something called the Roman rite? or am I thinking of the Latin rite?

I hear what you're saying, and certainly to worship God in spirit and in truth, a person must go through Jesus. but I think it is possible for a person to worship that which they don't know John 4:22 You worship that which you don't know. We worship that which we know; for salvation is from the...

I think that's really interesting, is that from Wikipedia too?

that's an interesting observation! since we only have partial knowledge, it doesn't make sense to demand that other people, especially other Christians, describe God in exactly the same terms that we use.

sure! does it make sense that God would show visions of things that would be familiar to the people? the people know about lions, those appear in visions in the Bible. but the people would have had no experience of polar bears, and those don't appear in visions. on what basis do you assure me...

thanks for the references! I don't doubt the John was alive in the 90s, or that the book of Revelation was written at about that time. do you accept everything that irenaeus said as true? for example, in that same book 3 chapter 3, "2. Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a...

thank you for your answer, again, it's not quite what I asked. are you familiar with the term "apocalyptic literature"? https://www.infoplease.com/encyclopedia/religion/bible/general/apocalypse I accept that the church fathers have valuable things to contribute to the understanding of...

We have to calculate the end result, not interprate letter by letter. Muslims think they adore the true God. so, using the loose interpretation method, Christians think they adore the true God. and Muslims think they adore the true God. so, along with us think they adore is not a lie.

well, using the loose method of interpretation, CCC 841 is just saying that Muslims only think that they adore the true God.

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if God gave him visions, it makes sense to me that they would fit with symbols that people were familiar with. if John is calling them visions as a literary device, then it again makes sense to me that he would use what's familiar. true! at the same time, he may have decided to use an...

another thing I see is that there is a 3 verse preamble prior to the customary opening salutation. I believe that this is unique among those New testament Epistles that state the author's name. as part of this preamble, it says "He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John"...

that's good to keep in mind! Revelation 1:1 This is the Apocalypse of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things which must happen soon, which he sent and made known by his angel to his servant, John. John may be simply using the word "apocalypse" to mean revelation...

which part of against heresies are you referring to?

thanks for the answer, but that's not quite what I asked. not apocalyptic, but is the book of Revelation is in the genre of apocalyptic literature?

it makes sense to me that John would use symbols and figures of speech that people were familiar with. maybe it's like if I wanted to make a modern-day parable based on The tortoise and the hare. but I decided to add a butterfly. even though she flies in a zigzag and rests frequently, she makes...