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  1. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    e·quiv·a·lence /əˈkwiv(ə)ləns/ noun plural noun: equivalences the condition of being equal or equivalent in value, worth, function, etc. I disagree that "similarities" and "equivalences" are the same thing though. You can compare to show similarities but acknowledge it's not an equivalence.
  2. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    I was referencing the West Bank and East Jerusalem where there is illegal settling, detentions, and killings. Apparently it's not a war crime to blow up more civilians than terrorists, so I wasn't referencing that.
  3. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    That was me, I meant to do the information emoji. Hit refresh. I do think it's an unfair comparison. I just wanted to repeat the same lines I keep hearing. I do believe if it's war or a school shooting scenario, we should treat life as precious.
  4. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    Pointing out similarities is not suggesting they are the same. Hamas is a terrorist organization and I've said I don't think Israel is a terrorist state, though they are committing war crimes which are terroristic in nature.
  5. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    Many would argue that the police should kill everyone in the room to "save lives". They should "target" the shooter while simultaneously blowing everyone up. In this, they can say they were targeting the shooter and the other 20 students were just "collateral damage".
  6. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    I haven't offered solutions of the past... Israel hasn't withdrew it's settlers from the West Bank or East Jerusalem. Israel hasn't ended it's blockade on Gaza. In 2020, Trump explicitly called Netanyahu out for "never wanting to make peace with Palestinians". The left also didn't want Trump's...
  7. Smoke

    Turkey and Israel, war of words

    Person 1: Israel does not want to kill civilians. Person 2: But aren't they doing exactly that knowing Hamas is purposefully integrated with the civilians? Person 1: Yes, Israel knows they will be blowing up more children but they are targeting Hamas. Person 2: So Israel KNOWS they will be...
  8. Smoke

    Turkey and Israel, war of words

    If people want to lay a strategy they think is better, by all means. I don't mind indulging in a military war game. I think a more appropriate and useful discussion would be on what NOT to do and what is NOT working. Before coming up with a new strategy, we should first come to a consensus that...
  9. Smoke

    Turkey and Israel, war of words

    I am curious who, because I would love to explain that every state has the right to defend themselves. I won't justify HOW Israel is "self-defending" itself, but that they do have a right to defend itself. It's just tricky on where the line between "self-defense" is and engaging in terroristic...
  10. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    I actually apologize for mistakenly saying you don't believe Palestinians exist "anymore". I should have said you don't believe they ever existed to begin with. I would go back and edit my post to make it more accurate but it's been over 5 minutes.
  11. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    Agreed, during war we need all the men we can get. I remember shortly after 9/11 there was a huge surge in enlisted men. From what I've read on Pearl Harbor, the same thing happened as well. Do you think the draft will ever be used again? You do bring up a good question though. Defended by...
  12. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    I posted exactly what you said girl. You explicitly said they (Palestinians) are not victims. You're backpedaling so hard right now. 1.) You object to the term "Palestinian" yet you are free to use it... :rolleyes: 2.) You stated that Palestinians voted for Hamas and they are NOT victims. I'll...
  13. Smoke

    Turkey and Israel, war of words

    I could be wrong, but I believe 100% of the people here agree Israel has the right to defend itself. Where there is disagreement is if obliterating more Palestinian children than Hamas terrorists is considered "self-defense" and/or if it's a good strategy. The West Bank and East Jerusalem have...
  14. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    Maybe I am misunderstanding you then. It sounds like you think/thought taxes was irrelevant to the discussion? I brought it up because it explains and justifies his entitlement (to be defended). If we are using the term "slave" (which I know you and Brother Moses were prior) then this gets more...
  15. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    I watched from the marked spot for roughly 10 minutes. They were talking about statehood. Why would you refer to two dudes on youtube who are discussing Palestinian land and Israeli land over going to the actual Fourth Geneva Convention link I sent? You're a big girl who can answer questions...
  16. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    Ah, inquiring if a person would cry foul if they are against conscription if the armed servicemen that are paid through federal taxes refused to defend him... You don't want taxes to be brought to the topic because it obliterates your attempt at making him a hypocrite. It's not a "loophole" to...
  17. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    When we refuse to acknowledge the past and remedy it in present, we can't expect anything but "a continuation of the same".
  18. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    The conversation was being against conscription was it not? Then a scenario was brought up where if there as an enemy attack, that person against conscription wanting to be defended even though he didn't have any "burden" supposedly. If I misunderstood or misread the scenario, my apologies. I...
  19. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    To fiance a service and expect to get use out of it?
  20. Smoke

    Israel Declares War

    She doesn't believe Palestinians exist anymore nor does she view the blown up babies as victims of Hamas or Israel.. Crazy stuff.