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Please check out my post #188. Thanks.

Please carefully read post #188. Thanks.

Sorry, this is a direct quote from this page: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+17&version=NKJV It's from the New King James Version... Gen 17.7 7 And I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you in their generations, for an everlasting...

My point was that God began with Abraham by promising him a biological posterity in the form of a single nation. Later, He added the promise of "many nations" by extending his fatherhood to a spiritual fatherhood. We know that was fulfilled through Christ, who has extended the faith of Israel...

I don't know how many more ways I can say it. It is a combination of both things, genetics and being chosen/elected. If one is elected by God as a faithful steward, he can be a Jew or a non-Jew. But God has promised there will be Jews who will be elected as faithful stewards. God has also...

Ah, I see your issue. You think that choosing Isaac invalidates genetics and makes God's election preeminent. I was arguing the opposite, that choosing Isaac validates both genetics and God's election. Not only was it essential that Isaac be related to Abraham, his father, but beyond that it was...

Every version must defer to the original versions. I don't prefer using an outmoded language. Abraham as a nation is, in fact, Israel! ;) No, of course I'm not forgetting Gal 3.29. This didn't say we are "Abraham's nation!" I disagree. Abraham's descendants, both natural and spiritual, are...

I have been providing it to you. And so I've struggled mightily to explain how what I'm seeing is answered by those passages. Once again... Matt 21.43 Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit. Rom 9.7 Nor because...

It's not an insult to your IQ to say I don't think you understand what I'm saying. Perhaps you do, but it doesn't sound like it. Israel was separated from pagan nations around them by the Law of Moses. Adhering to that they were exhorted and warned not to follow the sinful ways of the pagan...

I had to ensure you understood what I was saying 1st before giving you my Scripture references. So let me know if you understand that I'm saying other nations are given the same status as Israel was given under the Law--only now they have Christ as their basis for being "nations of God?" The...

Yes, I can do that, though reading through this you can see the language is somewhat difficult to make clear. 1) Natural Israel is defined by spiritual choices in Christ. In choosing Isaac, instead of Ishmael, God is showing that He uses a spiritual criteria to determine who the true Natural...

No, I wasn't doing that. I was focusing on the promises of nation-singular and nations-plural to point out that God promises Abraham not just individuals, but nations quite literally. In order to achieve the single nation of Israel, Abraham had to have a posterity of many descendants, it is...

I not only believe we maintain our nationality and our ethnicity when we were saved, but I believe that is part of God's promise to Abraham, to make of him many nations. He isn't just interested in the individual, but also in the society. He cares not just about gratifying the individual--He...

I do agree on a natural/spiritual dichotomy in history, between those who are "of faith" and those who are "not of faith." Those of faith have God internally and see spiritual things. Those who do not let God reside in them are spiritually blind, and cannot see God's truth clearly. They come and...

The "clout" is in the argument itself! You either can recognize a good argument or not? You completely lack credibility. There is no bad or heretical translation in this matter. You clearly are not yourself a scholar. I'm not a scholar either, but my brother is pretty learned on the...

No, this is not a heretical version of the Bible. That is how it reads. You are not a better scholar than the translators of the many translations. Paul is using "seed" as an *allusion* to Christ, in much the same way that Joseph was an *allusion* to Christ. The literal "seed" of Abraham was...

With all due respect, God promised Abraham *nations.* And I'm not going to contradict God! Paul called these promises an "eternal covenant." Gen 12.1 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s household to the land I will show you. 2 “I will make you into a...

My thoughts, 1st of all, is that you are narrowly using the word "theology." It is not normally a "cuss word." Theology is looking at the doctrines of the Bible in an organized, teachable manner. Arguing over theology was discouraged by Paul if it did not produce fruit. Paul argued theology...

Well, of course. We we serve in the Kingdom of God. And God doesn't hold elections, nor send lobbyists to us to get His needs met! ;) Thanks for the reminder!

I agree. But I think if this country , ie the US, has not gone completely crazy, the pendulum may swing back towards common sense. I'm hoping God is balling all of the Left Wing loonies up into one gob to be judged all at once. God allows evil for a time, just so He can gather them together for...