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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    I was not aware that you knew the operation of one's mind! How do you know that the thief might have been baptized by John the Baptist at Luke 3:3 and Mark 1:4? What did he do get baptized and then got involved in a life of crime? :rolleys: Of course The Great Commission was not in effect...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    Is there a reason why you have not responded to this thread you started? And to quote you, "Some would say" You have a couple of "detractors" around here trying to defend the indefensible. :rolleyes: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    You said, "Saul of Tarsus persecuted Christians UNTIL…he met Jesus on the road to Damascus. Acts 9 He was blinded by a very bright light but Jesus talked to him and told him,” I am Jesus…” Saul BELIVED and asked Jesus, “What do you want me to do?” Tell me what I am missing in this thread? You...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    Well that's easy to answer! I'll just say, "It is not my call to make.... that decision is WAY above my pay grade," I would also add what James said at James 2:15-17, "Go in peace, be ye warmed and filled; and hopefully you will run into somebody that can answer your question? Does that sound...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    Wait a minute, I never said that one should not get baptized. I'm saying water baptism is not required to receive salvation. You then said this: "I will explain that to you when you explain to me why Jesus LAST, FINAL instructions to his disciples was:" Wait a minute, I ask you first to explain...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    Not at all, I just haven't gotten to it yet. Since you brought it up I will address your question? You said, "Because that was a one-off event that Jesus himself did. Name another person that was saved without baptism? We'll wait... Your the one saying, "that was a one-off event that Jesus...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    :rolleyes: Let me put it this way, where in the Bible does a person who is facing death on a cross as the thief is come to the conclusion of getting water baptized before Jesus told him he had too? "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." (Luke 23:42-43. Now, you do have...
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    Can you please explain how it is that one of the thieves on the cross was saved and would be in Paradise with Jesus this day? He was not water baptized? IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Saul of Tarsus was not saved on the road to Damascus.

    When you say, "but no evidence that he "prayed through" to salvation" how do you know that? You even admitted that "Saul spent 3 days in Damascus fasting and praying." So how do you know it was not praying for salvation? Also, as you stated, "Finally, Ananias came to him and told him to...
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    Abraham’s descendants - How many Gen 22:17

    Yes, Jesus Christ is from the seed of Abraham according to the flesh. Romans 9:4-5. Secondly, remember what Jesus said at John 8;58? "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad." As a very interesting side note from Genesis 22;15-17, it was the angel of the Lord...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Please read my post #59 where I explain the Trinity with reason and logic. If you think about it God wants us to know all about Him. Now, granted there are mysteries within God and like He said, "His ways are not our ways." IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    Saved by faith alone. A surmised understanding?

    There are examples and Abraham is one of them read Hebrews 11. James 2 also mentions Abraham. And of course Ephesians 2:8-9. Do some homework because that's how you learn. Btw, God only has to speak once for it to be the truth. In other words even if there was only one verse on a given subject...
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    It Works Both Ways

    And? IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    It is virtually impossible that the Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel. He is however, the preincarnate Jesus Christ.

    Excellent analysis. I'm sure you know the Jw's believe that Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel. But I'm not if you are aware of the fact that the Mormons believe Adam is Michael the archangel. The point is the fact you cannot compare or mix or match ontological beings that do not have the...
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    It is virtually impossible that The Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel or Jesus Christ is Michael as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

    Your right, I should not have used the word "virtually." I thought it meant totally impossible but it means "nearly or almost." impossible, I looked it up. :eek: IN GOD THE SON, bluto
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    It is virtually impossible that the Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel. He is however, the preincarnate Jesus Christ.

    The following is what I wrote about 15 years ago on this very subject. The angel of the Lord first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7. He says in the following verses that he will multiply Hagar's descendants at verse 10. At verse 13 Hagar says, "Thou art a God who sees; Have I...
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    It is virtually impossible that The Angel of the Lord is Michael the arc angel or Jesus Christ is Michael as the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

    The following is what I wrote about 15 years ago on this subject. The angel of the Lord first appears as the angel of the Lord at Genesis 16:7. He says in the following verses that he will multiply Hagar's descendants, verse 10. At verse 13 Hagar says, "Thou art a God who sees; Have I even...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Actually that is incorrect, God the Father cannot be seen even according to Jesus Christ Himself. John 5:37, "And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, NOR SEEN HIS FORM." John 6:46, "Not that any man hath seen the Father, except he...
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    trinity is controversial?

    Do you know where he physically appeared as God in the OT? I'm not talking about in the garden with Adam and Eve? It was at Genesis 16:7. IN THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, bluto
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    trinity is controversial?

    Then how are you going to learn? :eek: IN HIM, bluto