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We can’t be chosen in Christ based on God’s foreknowledge, yet we can be glorified in God’s mind without yet being perfected into what we shall be? I don’t see much of a difference between the two really Don’t get me wrong. I do not hold to Calvinistic views on these. My view is closer to...

I agree 100 percent!!! And our election is according to His foreknowledge. Do you see where I’m going.

Good answer. So from God’s perspective our glorification is as good as done, right? Even though it HASNT HAPPENED YET? Well, the only difference between predestined to glorification since salvation and predestined to glorification since before the foundation of the world is human decision...

So glorification happens simultaneously with justification? And the call and justification are simultaneous too?

Yes. It is a destination chosen ahead of time, and it happens BEFORE justification.

Do you think they’re all simultaneous?

So you’re not predestined until you’re resurrected?

So what I see is eleventh, Lena, and throughfaith hold to post conversion election and predestination. I don’t know how that view can be squared with the Bible.

I see predestination before justification in Romans 8:29. Is one converted before they are justified? Don’t think so... And you really don’t think God loved you until you chose Him?

Where’s it say predestined after conversion? Are you confusing the predestination with the fulfillment of what is predestined??? So we’re not even predestined yet?

Where in Romans 8? Will check with you in a while.

I thought God loved us first and showed that love by sending His Son to be a propitiation for our sins? Haven’t you read that yet?

Ok, so where does it say predestined after conversion in Romans 8?

Cite one, please I’ll check back with you in a bit.

Before we were born.

I’m sorry. Typo. One passage that says predestination happens after we’re saved. Just one. Bet you won’t find one. If the Bible doesn’t say that predestination happens after salvation, your argument will fail.

Paul also uses the word elect and chosen to refer to Christians in general.

Are you kidding me? Romans 8:29-30 Compare with 1 John 3:1-2

One verse that says predestination before conversion. Just one, Mr. Inductive

So the Jews are called God's elect alot. That doesn't mean we're not God's elect. The Jews are called God's people alot too. Does that mean we're not God's people. You're arguments are very shallow right now.