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Then you have never read Rev 14 1-14 with understanding.

You presented conjecture. Your opinion outside the Bible teaching Of the rapture verses, and God taking His people out before the trib as declared in God's word.

Maybe cancel every thread since some call lively discussion quarreling.

Not being ugly , but that is way off. Tares are burned at the GWTJ. LOF for unsaved is after the mil. It even says the second resurrection has ALL THE DEAD gathered AFTER THE MIL. So...the tares thingy has zero to do with the rapture of 1 thes 4, acts 1, Matt.25, Matt.24, and the mid trib...

You just declared via scripture, that after thectrib the saints already in heaven are gathered. We see your depiction of the pretrib rapture with saints ALREADY IN HEAVEN (As you showed us) gathered IN HEAVEN (As you showed us) mounting white horses. You showed us angels ( not Jesus does the...

For one, your setting the rapture is 100% backwards. At the end of trib there is no buying or selling for anyone without the mark. ( ahem...that alone tells you there are no saints alive to rapture) There will be normal life. As Jesus declared. There will be everyday life. As Jesus declared...

There are no postrib rapture verses. I have challenged forum members to post one. None have so far

What is Rev 14 :14? The second coming?

Both the virgin parable and the "one taken/ left" of mat 24 are vivid pictures of the rapture. Actually impossible to miss. The last supper dialogue is the depiction of the bride and groom betrothal. The rapture is the groom gathering the bride.

In Acts Paul preached the kingdom. Maybe he was way off.

What is the second coming? On white horses?

Well you might as well Just cut Hebrews out of your Bible due to the typology ( AHEM...more than one dimension) Then forget about the 2 dimensions of "the spirit and the word working TOGETHER" Then go to Rev 5 and remove the FACT that Jesus is BOTH a lion and a lamb.(multi dimensional) I wonder...

You know this obsession to prove how defective all the Apostles are, and Paul is to be exaulted to "equal to Jesus" is NOT FROM GOD. You know how we know this???? Because you are LAYING A FOUNDATION. YOU ARE SEARCHING FOR EVIDENCE, that Paul was so so so correct, and the others preached an...

It is a shame that a no-brainer is such a hurdle for hyperpaulines. I never ever saw any believer that did not want to be water baptized. To listen to you guys you would think the devil himself prompted them to get dunked

Lol..you are preaching to the choir All that is basic and no brainer. Look, we all know Paul INCLUDED the Gentiles, but preached HEAVILY to the Jews. THAT IS ALL THERE IS. THE GENTILES INCLUDED. So you are wrong by EMPHASIS. You are trying to make some point that NOBODY ELSE was allowed to...

SMH at the error produced by trying to one dimensionalize God's word. What in the world do they do with Hebrews????? Loaded with "types"

Nope. It is both. We see believers occupying actual thrones in Rev 20. We see the word of God saying to the church we are seated together with Jesus now. It is not either<>or. It Is both. Hyperpaulines are one dimensional. I can imagine the struggle of Hyperpaulines over the verse in Rev 5...

And Peter And others. Paul was constantly preaching to the Jews. Paul said " to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Gentiles " Paul put his countrymen ahead of the Gentiles. ( this shows us the emphasis of the hyperpauline assumptions is error by emphasis) No doubt rejecting the verses and message...

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (Maybe take a legitimate shot at it???) Not properly understanding verses makes diverse doctrines even more diverse and thrive even much more... ;)