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Confidence does not make you correct on this issue or any other. The promises of Jesus is not the issue, it is your unsubstantiated faith in your confidence that is in question. "Where false assurance exist true assurance cannot." You may personally assert that you are saved (which is fine)...

Is not believing in assurance make Lamar a lost sinner? Does your theology dictate the need to believe this?

Is that "trusting in Christ's sacrifice on the cross" getting you over the finish line? Sounds like a works based theology to me. You should repent and let the grace of God and not your "trusting" save you.

I have met people who have point blank told me this is the cornerstone of their theology!!!

Hey believer, do not be too harsh on all of them but the quote by Cameron is classic. "Acceptance of His will is a result of salvation." Get saved first then seek God. As opposed to: Hebrews 11:6 Now without faith it is impossible to please God, since the one who draws near to him must...

The Calvin is strong in this one.

"Actually the issue here is people assume they know what others believe and try to force their thinking on them. when what they really believe is nothing like what they are being accused of." (Your Post# 286) Can you not see the hypocrisy between these two statements? You are doing the same...

Your subjective notion that you have "eternal security " holds no weight in this discussion. If it took "many years" for your light bulb to come on maybe you should check the connection.

OSAS has always been based on emotions. They have no desire to concern themselves with self-examining themselves. They have no desire to be watchful or keeping their lamps full. After all, the King would never revoke the forgiveness of our debts...would He? (Matthew 18:21-35) In the end OSAS...

I most certainly have met people who without a doubt believe that apostasy cannot and does not exist. By the very nature of their argument, they cannot accept the notion that someone who has sincerely pledged faith in God can ever renounce their pledge. Because of their circular reasoning they...

There is nothing in the context that supports your nit-picking. Your defense is weak so your quibbling is but a smoke screen. Just as your "you do so void of love" comment is a sign of your lack of any real argument. We do not know each others hearts. So please keep your emotions out of the...

"I'm explaining what the passage actually means." This is rather telling. Get over yourself.

There is only one Gospel. There is no gospel for the OSAS believers and another gospel for Christians. Just the Gospel of Christ.

Where false assurance exist, true assurance cannot. Claiming to be among the saved (regardless of how sincere) is one thing. Knowing the non-blotted individuals named in the Book of Life is for God alone to know. In other words: Romans 8:16-17 New International Version The Spirit himself...

Well said. Timothy 4:3 A time will come when people will not listen to accurate teachings. Instead, they will follow their own desires and surround themselves with teachers who tell them what they want to hear. Mailmandan presents these "scholars" because they relieve the itch of his weak...

I understand your response. Instead of simply accepting scripture as written many will find any reason to not believe the gospel. There are no Bibles that translate the scriptures in such a way as mailmandan is suggesting, even his own Bible does not use such verbiage. Of the thousands of...

I know you mean something with this comment but I am not sure what it is. But swimming or taking a bath is not baptism. This is baptism: 1st Peter 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience...

Again, do you have a quote that backs this up? Or are you just assuming this? Where is your quote that states "for already having remission of sin"? You mean to fit your theology. There are no scriptures that state salvation is at the "point of belief" alone. Hence your need to surmise.

That's not logic, that's surmising. And you cannot surmise away baptism as the moment of the remission of sins. Speaking in tongues is not the moment of the remission of sins. Speaking in tongues does not prove the remission of sins. Once again I will ask: Can you quote from the Bible that we...

There you go??? He asked you to quote from the Bible not surmise. I also suspect that you do not understand the meaning of quote. In other words, he is asking you to cite an example from the Bible. Your so called "quote" does not even mention the remission of sins or even if or when they were...