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That's your misconception about what others believe. You are the only one here promoting such.

Men's default position is unbelief, and, thus, condemnation. God doesn't have to do anything for someone to remain unsaved. He must act for someone to be saved. Also, weren't you the one who distinguished the audience for verses. The audience of the verse you cite is also a believer...see 2...

I have no idea. I can't imagine coming across this ad if it wasn't posted here. But it couldn't have been inexpensive to shoot. Who was the person who thought this was a good way to spend the advertising budget?

This is a clever swich-a-roo. I asked you some very specific questions which you answered broadly. I ask you again to answer my questions and you pull some questions from a post directed towards another poster rather than answer the questions I directed towards you. You also didn't copy my...

What were the circumstances that lead to that trust?

According to Romans 3:10 there are none who are righteous. How did Abraham acquire his righteousness?

God does all things for His glory. Choosing would be included in this. And hopefully we aren't heading down the same road as last time where I ask you questions, you refuse to answer, and then ask me questions. I did you the courtesy of answering your questions, yet you refused to answer mine...

I understand what you believe. I'm trying to ascertain why you believe as you do. And again, I am not trying to go further than you feel comfortable. But my question was to find out what undergirds what you believe. Is there anything within the character or ways of God, in your understanding...

Did God elect Israel? Are there elect angels? Who chose that? On what basis?

I'm not sure how deeply you are comfortable with going into the subject given your original post, but I do enjoy trying to understand why people hold the positions they do. So if you don't want to share I'll understand. But if you are amenable, what is it you object to in God choosing? Is there...

It doesn't have to be a topic that creates such angst. Are all in Adam? Who made that determination? Did God choose Israel? Why is it so difficult to believe that God chooses?

Any you slice it, it says God chose us in Christ.

Definitely a weird commercial.

I can't figure out if you are being deliberately obtuse or in actuality simply cannot understand my argument. At any rate, thanks for the discussion.

I have no idea who's saved and who isn't. If I were grading by the fruit of Spirit being exemplified, I might be distressed. But my comment wasn't about determining who is or is not saved, but the irony in believing that an individual's salvation is predicated on ongoing obedience and not being...

The discussion itself is not in view in my comments; neither the content of the discussion. Everyone has a set of beliefs. Rather, my comment is directed towards personal remarks.

And yet you lack the spiritual dexterity to either cover his behavior or extricate yourself from the discussion. For someone who believes their ongoing salvation rests upon such behavior, this seems odd.

The threat of negative consequences has always had the effect of deterring undesired actions. While it doesn't always in every particular case, on the whole it does. The ineffectiveness such an approach is that merely getting someone to refrain from a behavior doesn't alter an individual's...

Of course the answer is yes. If you go back to post #143, my question was in response to a statement that said someone predestined to hell could not be deterred. While I don't believe anyone is predestined to hell, sinners can be deterred from sin through consequences, whether they are saved or...

Were you saved at the time?