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  1. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    So what is the benefit of plucking out one eye? You need to pluck out both for the remedy to be effective and then you still have your imagination, so perhaps a labotomy would be in order? The point made by Christ is clear: the priority of the soul over everything else. Why is it hard to...
  2. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    You believe everything is from God as a general rule. You never throw away whole doctrines. Rejecting any verse in very dangerous and must be undertaken with extreme caution. But Jesus does set the precedent. There were certainly things in the OT that he updated. Usually in connection with...
  3. Scrobulous

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    Do you think he was being literal in this, or was he, perhaps, trying to convey a truth by figurative means. For example, beware the yeast of the Pharisees and sadducees.
  4. Scrobulous

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    Very good post!
  5. Scrobulous

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    Certainly the holy spirit has been active from the beginning. But so have men and the christian God, unlike the Muslim one, works in cooperation with men. This creates complications. There are true scriptures, false scriptures and scriptures have been adulterated; that is, they are a mix. Some...
  6. Scrobulous

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    I do not accept that one can read Noah’s uprightness as having anything to do with his genes. The genes are the chemical and biological means of constructing your body, they have nothing to do with your morality. In fact your argument is unbiblical. God always intended to save people from...
  7. Scrobulous

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    I agree with you 100% , trofimus.
  8. Scrobulous

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    I don’t think this is the word of God. I think people defending this position are like Job’s comforters. Defending God’s honour out of a misplaced understanding. I don’t think God will be very impressed. Jesus himself didn’t reach for the stones or the knives.
  9. Scrobulous

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    I asked why the law of God demands amputation and the stoning of bulls in the situations described in Deut 25:11-12. I have been told these laws were intended as a deterrent. In which case, society should suggest boiling people in oil for not returning their library books, after all this is a...
  10. Scrobulous

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    I would say all ancient middle eastern cultures were misogynistic and Jesus confirmed it by saying that divorce was a concession to the hardness of heart that is characteristic of misogyny. I find you argument about the ‘seed’ very curious. This idea that sin is carried in the DNA! I thought...
  11. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    Of course, once the offence is in the law, then it is a crime against God, but I am asking why this is in the law at all. Of course you can say, because God put it there and there is then no argument. But why would he have such a law? That's what we are discussing. Other guys here have made the...
  12. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    A very good point. But this is not a crime against God. She is simply defending her husband. It is a squabble that’s all. Cutting the poor woman’s hand off is totally disproportionate.
  13. Scrobulous

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    Why is grabbing a man by the genitals a sin at all, in these circumstances? She is trying to save her husband and stop a fight. What should she do? Punch him in the face? Tickle him? Are these sins too? Are they worthy of an amputation?
  14. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    But worthy of cutting her hand off?
  15. Scrobulous

    Cut off her hand...

    Interesting post. But... Grabbing a man’s genitals is not the same as destroying the messianic line! This is a woman trying to get a man who is attacking her husband to stop fighting. With the eye for eye law in operation, this seems the safest means of achieving her objective. It is clear that...
  16. Scrobulous

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    I agree, which is why I find it so hard to understand why God would allow such commands into his law. It would be different if God himself had a slightly more casual attitude to the law, along the lines, look this is a guide, guys, kind of rule of thumb, so feel free to interpret it loosely! But...
  17. Scrobulous

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    Very interesting comment. Thanks.
  18. Scrobulous

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    This would make sense, were it not for the fact that the israelites were operating the sacrificial system. They were experts in slaughtering animals. Stoning them is cruelty plain and simple. I cannot understand why God would allow such a thing. An animal is not sinful. It is innocent. As for a...
  19. Scrobulous

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    Thanks for your post i fully get where you are coming from. In my post I am asking about cuting off a woman’s hand and stoning cattle. These are very difficult to explain. But I am still thinking about the other comments, which have been helpful!
  20. Scrobulous

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    Good answer! Jesus said the law allowed divorce because if the hardness of the people’s hearts. So your answer is of some comfort to me. But Moses was in close touch with God. I would have hoped that God would curb the wilder excesses of the people. God is responsible for the bible after all. I...