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    Joshua’s long day

    In order to understand a definition, you have to have a context. Darkness is the absence of light. In the beginning it was dark. But in the context of ‘before the universe existed, what was there?’ It is possible to say it was dark and silent, but this is slightly misleading because there is...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Certainly energy was created. Darkness and silence, as already explained, are the opposites of light and sound. They are default conditions; what you get in the absence of light and sound and not, as you claim, separate entities in themselves. The early universe was dark and silent, but darkness...
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    Joshua’s long day

    I said ‘no light’ and ‘no darkness’ for your sake, since you seem in doubt that one is the opposite of the other. For my own sake no light would have been sufficient. There are no contradictions, but we can fall into linguistic traps. You can have a dark room or a black hole but if you don’t...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Before the universe existed there was nothing. No time, no space, no light, no darkness, no matter, no energy, no laws relating them. Your definitions come from the world of literature. Such definitions have merit when conveying emotions, where a certain lack of precision and suspension of...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Silence and darkness are simply the absence of sound and light. They are not independent entities. As such they are properties of the universe, that is, default positions. You have silence unless you set up vibrations in a medium. There is no noise in space, because there is no physical medium...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Exactly!
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    Joshua’s long day

    The fact that a person can be unaware of the passage of time does not mean that time ceases to exist, or is simply a mental construct. A man in a lift cannot tell whether he is in free fall under gravity or being accelerated by the lift, does this mean that gravity doesn’t exist? Without a mind...
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    Joshua’s long day

    It’s a big can of worms you are opening! These extra dimensions are said to be coiled up within the existing dimensions. They are spacially tiny. This means that their physics will be governed by quantum mechanics, not relativity. Since we don’t have an overarching theory to cover both, I cannot...
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    Joshua’s long day

    You are on the right track. If the earth accelerated to near light speed or got close to an extreme gravitational field this would slow time on the earth and then the events described in Joshua chapter ten would happen exactly as described. Obviously God didn’t accelerate the earth, or increase...
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    Joshua’s long day

    You raise an interesting question. Can God do anything? Is He bound by the laws he has made? It is said God cannot lie. I don’t see this as a limitation, but it illustrates that the blanket statement, God is all-mighty is a simplification. Clearly God limits himself and is constrained by the...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Hello Adstar! I hope you are well and not mad at me! You are right. God could have used any means to create the effect described in the bible and we are all speculating on how he did it. It is entirely possible that he used a means that none of us understand. As you say, the main thing is that...
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    Joshua’s long day

    If time does not exist, one event cannot follow another and no sequence of events can take place unless there is a conscious mind to observe them. But we know that flowers grow unseen in remote places, corals grow in the seas and stalactites grow in isolated caves. And that is just on the earth...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Yes. The stairs of Ahaz. I’ve been thinking about that one too. It is a completely different class of problem from Joshua’s longest day. The implications are profound, because it suggests God breaks the laws of physics, instead of merely adjusting them. I will post on it when I can make some...
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    Joshua’s long day

    That is what I am saying. Time for Joshua, his army and the entire planet slows down. Time for the sun and moon continues as normal. As seen from the earth, the sun and moon would stand still because time for the earth has almost stopped. But on the earth, time appears to pass as normal. These...
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    Joshua’s long day

    What you are referring to is a NASA urban myth. It is not true. Regarding the days of creation, I would say that since a day is like 1000 years to God, we don’t need to be too literal about the details. God is getting his message across in a way that can be understood in ancient times as a...
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    Joshua’s long day

    Hi folks, I have been very surprised to read about the controversies surrounding Joshua’s long day and the various explanations put forward to explain how God could stop the sun and moon. It is plain that stopping or slowing the Earth’s spin would create havoc, as the inertia of the oceans and...
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    Balaam’s Donkey. Numbers 22:18-22

    I think you are right Tina. I hadn’t seen the verses in Numbers mentioned by Quantrill.
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    Balaam’s Donkey. Numbers 22:18-22

    Thanks for your post. Very sobering!
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    Balaam’s Donkey. Numbers 22:18-22

    My dear Adstar, I am in no way suggesting you are a nasty person. I am saying that you have a case, but it is possible to see the issue differently, that’s all. I don’t think we should try to divide christians into ‘NIV supporters’ and ‘KJV supporters’ or any other supporter. We are called to be...
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    Balaam’s Donkey. Numbers 22:18-22

    Hilarious! ‘The NIV that failed me…’ The NIV text in Numbers gives no indication that Balaam sinned. The reaction of the Angel of the Lord, however, makes it perfectly plain that he did and this is confirmed by 2 Peter 2:15-16. I find it interesting that a lawyer could take the NIV text of...