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renewed The Gospel is hidden wisdom to the natural man. The Gospel is a Mystery 1 Cor 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Its only to the Glory of the chosen ones. Christ is the wisdom of God, but its...

Posting a verse found in a given context is witnessing the Truth of God !

renewed Rom 4:5 is clear, God Justifieth the ungodly, that's while ungodly. Justifying is in the present tense, the the ones God is Justifying are the ungodly with the definite article. He is not look at their Faith or their believing, but what they are by nature, ungodly. Now the reason why...

renewed The Justified know nothing of having been justified by Christs blood until they receive the knowledge of it by God given Faith, so we may say Justification or righteousness is imputed to ones conscience at the time of believing, but thats it. The It there is not Abrahams believing...

renewed Righteousness is imputed before one believes, believing Faith is the evidence of of one already having righteousness imputed.

renewed False statement, no scripture says that.

renewed Thats fine with what we discussing, nevertheless believing is the evidence of Justification as well as Spiritual life.

A dead man is without hope until he is made alive. Like the Gentiles were Eph 2:12 12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: Natural man has no chance...

Acquitted by the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all ! Isa 53:6 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. Whomever the Us all here is, whose iniquties were laid [caused to light upon] on Him...

So the natural man is dead to God, he cant do anything unless He is first made alive or born again.

Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven ! Those Christ died for are forgiven of sins before they believe, and while they are enemies, and the reason for this blessedness Rom 4:7-8 7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. 8 Blessed is the man...

Natural man is dead to God.

The law has no claim upon those for whom Christ died. The curse spent itself on our Redeemer. We are dead to the law. We are righteous, justified, guiltless, innocent in Christ Those Christ died for are dead to the law Rom 7:4 10

sparkeygreg Hi sparkeygreg, You are wrong, Justification is solely for Gods Elect, His Israel. Here is the Promise Isa 45:12 In the Lord shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory. The promise is sure to all the SEED Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by...

Thats false. The natural man is dead to God.

renewed Its you i dont believe, because you promote Justification by your works, your graces, or your act of believing faith.

renewed See you not saying what scripture is saying, you saying Justification before God is based on God seeing in you faith. Thats not scripture, thats you saying that. So you base Justification on your works, your graces in you, all the same !

No you manipulate scripture, or wrest it as its written here 2 Pet 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

It makes us Kings and Priests ! Rev 5:9-10 9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 And hast made us unto our...

renewed Eph 1:19 is a prayer, which states that they believed according to the working of Gods Power. Eph 1:19 19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, What you are doing is denying the Truth again. No you dont...