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awelight I would say its legal and eternal, legal from the perspective of the Cross, eternal from the perspective of Gods Eternal Purpose in Christ. I disagree with that. The Death/Blood of Christ sanctified legally them He died for. Heb 10:10 10 By the which will we are sanctified through...

Conversion accompanying the The Sanctifying work of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13 13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

TMS Correct if Christ died for us, since His Death demands Imputed Righteousness because of Justice Satisfied by His Blood. Oh No, God accepted Christs Sacrifice and charges imputes Righteousness Freely unto all for whom Christ died and satisfied, the ones He died for have it to their charge...

tms Christ by Gods doing provides those needs for His chosen 1 Cor 1:30 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness or Justification, and sanctification, and redemption: Yes Faith equals Christ, so Justification is by Christ, and Faith believes...

Everlastinggrace Sure He can, and He is the only one that can since He is only God to do so he would have to set aside his perfect justice and overrule his own judgment Not true, because Christ has intervened on their behalf and took care of Gods Law and Justice for them, when He died for...

renewed You just rejecting truth found in scripture, thats a lame excuse Yes it is, it is both. He rose for the Justification of those He died for Rom 4:25 Who was betrayed and put to death because of our misdeeds and was raised to secure our justification (our acquittal), [making our...

renewed That was just the type, with the antitype, Christ is the passover lamb and the ones He died for had nothing to do with it, Christ did it all 1 Cor 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for...

renewed Error, Didn't Christ die for them prior to the moment they believed ? If yes, then they were justified before God prior to the moment they believed. Christ Justified them, not believing. Believing believes that Christ Justified me at the Cross by His Blood. He doesnt, He just causes...

renewed Thayer is offering his own theological bias here, The grace of God is never offered, its given or bestowed, and the righteousness the elect sinners have is imputed to them before they are born on the platform of the finished work of Christ. Now sooner or later the Justified ungodly...

1214 No you deny the Truth. A person who Christ died for is Justified [declared righteous]legally at the Cross, by Blood, even while ungodly, then sometimes in their lifetime God gives them new life which is regeneration, and with that Faith to believe the Gospel. They were no more ungodly...

renewed You the one confused. God justifies the ungodly, plain and simple, He justifies a person Christ died for, while they are a ungodly, unregenerate, unbelieving sinner. Then He regenerates that sinner, at the point technically he is no more ungodly, but a new creation, then he believes...

The ones who are already Justified by the death of Christ, are caused to be born again, then they hear and believe the Gospel preached to them. Before a person believes the gospel 3 things must have previously occurred , #1 Be of Gods elect 1 Pet 1:2 #2 They had to redeemed by the blood of...

Yes Justification[before God] is before Faith in Christ, in fact Faith is the consequent and evidence of having been Justified by the blood of Christ Rom 5:9 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. When were they Justified by His Blood ? At...

renewed God imputed righteousness to them before they believed, while being ungodly, then afterwards He gives them faith believe it. Right a believer has been delivered from a ungodly state, but he was justified before God, by the blood of Christ, before he became a believer, and that is why...

Romans 5 is all about Gods elect, Vs 12ff is about their contrasted experience in their natural head adam, and their Spiritual head Christ

renewed You reject Justification the doctrine of God

renewed Its the epitome of hypocrisy and pride to charge someone with judging someone, when you doing the very same thing Rom 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the...

renewed Again you bring up human faith into the equation of Salvation matters, then you have to deal with the consequences, Salvation by law keeping Matt 23:23 23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier...

renewed Again, those who believed on Him, who received Him had been born of God. If anyone ever believes in the True Christ, its because they were born of God ! According to scripture. Jesus said its those who are of God that hears Gods words Jn 8:47 47 He that is of God heareth God's words...

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