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John nor Jesus wasnt going to baptize them anyway, baptism was for those whom the Spirit of God worked in them to see their sinfulness and need for Christ. John had said to some pharisees once Matt 3:7-9 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto...

Its the Truth. Its of Faith that it may be by[according to] Grace Rom 4:16 16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of...

Thats how Grace and Faith works, Faith is the product of Grace. Believers , we believe because of Grace Acts 18:27 27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Do you deny Grace is a Gift ? Eph 3:7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.

1 Cor 2:14 tells us that the natural man cannot receive, know understand the Gospel, its foolishness to him because it needs to be spiritually diserned. 1 Cor 1:18 collabboates 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

Sorry but faith comes with Grace which is a Gift and not of ourselves. Thats Biblical

Faith is a Gift out of Grace which both are feminine in Eph 2:8 Now do you deny that Grace is a Gift ? Scripture says believers had believed because of Grace which is a Gift Acts 18:27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who...

No Im not going to do any more explaining to you. If you dont want to answer to your comment And I asked you to explain this: Lk 19:10 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Then this isnt going to go nowhere, just need see at the Judgment, which you...

therose;amb Wrong, God chose that He would condemn them Justly for their sins. Even though He determined it and they could not have not sinned, yet He chose that they do it responsibly according to their voluntariness, nothing forced.

We are on the same page, I quoted what you said and responded accordingly. Did you state this? And I responded with Lk 19:10 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Do you want to address that or not ?

thererose The elect technically were always safe from going to hell premised on the death of Christ in time, yet purposed by God before the time, Christs SuretyShip Death was certain to occur in time, Gods purpose concluded it already done Rev 13:8 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall...

thereroselamb What kinda comment is that in light of Lk 19:10 10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. And the Covenant Abraham had a eye to was founded on Christ coming in time and dying on the Cross for the redemption of His People, the seed of Abraham Gal...

This is about the Gospel doctrine of unconditional election !

Says who ? God created everything in view of Salvation through Christ. This world was created for Him as the Surety redeemer Col 1:14-16 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16...

Faith to Live and Serve God by ! Its no fluke that the scriptures state emphatically that the Just shall live by Faith Rom 1:17 that being all for whom Christ died, because His death of obedience makes them Just or Righteous Rom 5:19 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners...

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Im good, I conclude you and I dont see eye to eye on that matter.

Tell me what are we to believe about Christ ? Be informative

I didnt say it was meaningless, thats your slander suggestion, I said it didnt change anything, man naturally cant believe or repent. Peter preach Acts 5:31 31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.