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Nothing changed, Christ died only for the Elect

@rogerg And they are purged Roger Heb 1:3 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: And only Gods elect will be...

Im familiar with all that. Yet Christ died only for the elect or His Sheep.

@Johann I've given you scripture, and 1 Jn 2:2 is only about the elect who Christ intercedes for Rom 8:33-34 33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even...

Yes I am very serious and if you don't believe me you are believing in a false christ

The true Jesus only died for the elect

He came to save His people and they are saved

He died only for believers. If one never believes in the Jesus of Matt 1:21 Then He didn't love them nor die for them

No He didnt, not the Jesus of Matt 1:21

Amen, believing in Him is a by-product consequence of His Blood shed for one !

@p_rehbein Correct, but He didn't die for them who will never believe in Him, because they were not His Sheep Jn 10:26 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

You havent proved it with scripture, thats why i say its false duh

Christ didn't die for anyone who is lost forever

No its not, its your imagination friend

@selahsays False statements

Its not in the bible

False statement nowhere found in scripture

See the poster wont answer that question Roger, more than likely obedience in some fashion, though it be cloaked, is a condition. There are very few on these boards that believe what we believe, that Salvation is based totally on Christs obedience alone, which does effect our Gospel obedience...

One thing more, do you agree with this ? If one never becomes obedient Christ didn't die for them. Do you understand ? Do you agree ?

From experience Roger when people have a heavy emphasis on obedience, somehow it usually turns out to be conditionalism.